"The more people feel at risk, the less they're able to be curious."
Loren Cannon, Oregon's top Special Agent in the FBI, joins us in a wide-ranging conversation touching on the FBI's role locally, nationally, and globally, domestic terrorism, the immunizing effect of successful national institutions, the importance of community building and communication amongst those who disagree, empathy being necessary in a path forward for society, seeing the humanity even in hardened criminals, being curious, working toward goals greater than the self, and the importance of leadership in any organization.