Bill spent time with Gordon Chang to discuss the current state of U.S. China relations. Gordon Chang is a conservative columnist, blogger, television pundit, author and lawyer. He is the author of the book "The Coming Collapse of China" and "Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes On The World".

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