In this episode of China Money Network, Dalton Investments' Shanghai-based portfolio manager, Tony Hsu, explains how to execute the playbook of Warren Buffett in China, the reasons why Dalton's Asian equity strategy has consistently beat the market and his outlook for the markets in 2013.
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Q: First, give us a brief introduction of Dalton Investments and Dalton's Asian equity strategy?
A: Dalton Investments was founded on the opportunities that arose from the Asia Financial Crisis in the late 1990s. Dalton is a value-oriented investment management firm with a focus on capital preservation and long-term growth. Today, we manage about $2 billion in separate accounts in hedge fund strategies for a number of pension funds, endowments, foundations and family offices.
Our main strategies include global equities, Asian equities, distressed debt and distressed mortgages. About 50% of our total assets are in Asian equities. We run a Dalton Asia Hedged Strategy, which was launched in the beginning of 2008. Since the inception, the Dalton Asia Hedged Strategy is up nearly 50% while the MSCI Asia Index is down nearly 20%. As of the end of this February, the strategy is up over 6% while the MSCI Asia Index is up 4%.
Q: Your Asian strategy uses long-short tactics. What kinds of stocks do you normally short?
A: From the long side, we want to invest in entrepreneur-led undervalued companies. On the short side, it is exactly the opposite. Our short book is mostly filled with state-owned enterprises (SOEs) where senior executives tend to be former politicians or state appointees.
One of our current short positions is a state-owned oil and gas exploration company in Thailand. The company was pressured by the government to expand aggressively overseas and has made a series of over-priced acquisitions in Canada and Africa. Since 2010, their intangible assets have grown 20 times. We believe if the goodwill gets written down – and we think it will – it will hurt the share price.
Q: Within the Asian equities market universe, how attractive do you find the H-share market right now?
A: We generally invest in the H-share market and do not invest in the A-share market. There are far more entrepreneur-led companies listed in Hong Kong that are focused on increasing shareholder value, while the Shanghai (Stock Exchange) is filled with SOEs. Currently, we are running about a 30% net long exposure in China through Hong Kong listed stocks.
Q: Among your China-themed investments, do you favor any particularly industry?
A: We don't. We do, however, favor those family holding companies that are trading at a large discount to Net Asset Value (NAV).
Family-led and entrepreneur-led companies in Hong Kong tend to have a pyramid structure. The holding companies at the top own controlling stakes in the groups of operating companies below. The families or entrepreneurs have a lot of their personal wealth tied to the holding company. We want to be as close as possible to the top of the pyramid.
Also, many operating companies trade at a discount to their intrinsic value. So, if you are buying the holding company at a discount, and each of the subsidiaries trade at a discount, you are getting a discount upon discount by investing at the top of the pyramid.
Q: What are some other valuation metrics you look at?
A: We look at many other metrics such as price-to-book and EV (enterprise value)-to-EBITDA (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) on a regular basis.
Q: Surely, your due diligence process goes beyond the computer screen?
A: Absolutely.