Susan Ariel Aaronson, Director of the Digital Trade and Data Governance Hub at George Washington University Elliott School of International Affairs in Washington, D.C. joins hosts Ardian Mollabeciri and Robert Skidmore on Trade Splaining to talk about why data governance is so difficult to get right, why it matters...and what we can do about it. She also gives her own special take on kebabs.

On this episode, Ardian and Rob also discuss:

• The Evergrande crisis and what the bursting of China's housing bubble means for the rest of the world