At the 2025 STATE OF ASIA conference, we hosted two conversations focused on China.

First, hear from Desmond Shum, entrepreneur, investor, philanthropist, and author of the internationally acclaimed memoir Red Roulette, presenting a rare and authoritative perspective on the intersection of global business and Chinese elite politics.

Then, Abigaël Vasselier of the EU's External Action Service, shares her perspectives on China's next chapter and the country's relationship with Europe, in conversation with sinologist Simona Grano of the University of Zurich.

The conversations were recorded live, on stage, at the 2025 STATE OF ASIA conference, held November 6 in Zurich.

Find more information on STATE OF ASIA 2025, including videos, on the Asia Society website.

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STATE OF ASIA is a podcast from Asia Society Switzerland. 
Published: December 2, 2025
Host/Editor: Remko Tanis, Managing Editor, Asia Society Switzerland