In this episode, I’m joined once again by the brilliant Chris Kenner - executive producer for David Copperfield and one of the most influential creators in modern magic.

This time, we go even deeper.

We talk details, creative process and even a bit of politics. And, as always with Chris, the conversation is as inspiring as it is revealing. Whether you’re a working pro, a passionate student, or just fascinated by how real magic gets made behind the scenes, this is one to dive into.

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