Christie's Education: Jetstreams

Suzanne Gyorgy is a partner at Emigrant Bank Fine Art Finance. Prior to joining Emigrant in 2023, Suzanne was a Managing Director and Global Head of Citi Private Bank Art Advisory & Finance for more than two decades where she had a bird’s eye view on the art buying patterns of some of Americas most active and passionate collectors. Earlier in her career, Suzanne served as the Director of PaineWebber (UBS) Art Gallery in New York where she worked closely with Don Marron, one of the most dedicated and admired art collectors of his era. In this episode Suzanne and Michael discusses the following:

• Reports in the press of a slowing art market tend to affect more collectors on the margins rather than those in the mainstream with long term visions of filling gaps in their collections.
• The downside of the increasing financialization of the art market is that “sometimes people are following the numbers and not the art.” The upside, however, is the creation of art indexes like Mei Moses, and other financial analysis of the art market, have made bankers more comfortable lending against art.
• Suzanne shares her impressions of Art Basel Miami Beach 2023, and how it felt like a return to better days in terms of a more deliberative and collaborative art buying and a lessened presence of smart phones, allowing dealers to reprise their traditional role as educators.
• Now that the Pandemic has passed, collectors have become focused again on seeing the art in person, newly aware of what can get lost when seeing a work only from a computer screen.
• In the private banking world, art is generally considered a more stable asset to lend against when compared  to the daily volatility of equity markets. But in art market downturns, press reports of falling auction prices, sometimes overstated, can disrupt that thinking. 
• Michael and Suzanne discuss when buying art as an investment, an investor must think like a connoisseur, buying with her eyes and not with her ears.
• Suzanne addresses the impact of higher interest rates on art collectors, and the current level of buying from both the Chinese and Baby Boomer segments post Pandemic.
• In the process of answering the Jetstreams Grab and Run Question, Suzanne also explains what it was like to have been working as a Registrar at MoMA preparing Picasso’s Guernica for its historic return to Spain.

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www.emigrantbankfineart.com

X: @sg07928

IG: @suzannegyorgy

LinkedIn: Suzanne Gyorgy


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Magnus is a leading art market economist, entrepreneur, teacher of art management at Yale University, and a best-selling author. His latest book, published by Phaidon is How to Collect Art, an excellent guide to participating in the art market for both those new to the market, as well as seasoned collectors. From working with galleries and art advisors to attending art fairs and auctions, the book demystifies the art world and instructs on how to navigate it. In this episode we discuss:

• In an opaque art market with a lack of public transaction records, how Magnus has relied on surveys of key market participants to support his conclusions.
• Through his research, Magnus asserts that the number of active buyers is actually small, and shrinking, with only 6000 collectors spending over 100K per annum.
• Magnus points to the most recent numbers from the Art Basel | UBS Art Market Report that indicate 1% of property sold in the Fine Art market comprises 60% of transaction value. It reflects an enormous bifurcation of the market where activity at the top is its principal driver now, causing a great waning of it at the lower and mid-levels. 
• The purpose of How to Collect Art is to solve this problem by converting some of the tens of thousands of mega art fair visitors into new buyers, to re-invigorate the lower and middle segments of the art market.
• Magnus takes the position that art is a good investment only at the highest end of the market. He explains how art indexes work and the role of survivorship bias. 
• Magnus proposes an alternate reason for buying art rather than as an investment, one that he practices himself – which is to support artists and galleries, the economy of the middle to lower end of the art market; to enjoy the social, cultural and emotional benefits of participating in that robust ecosystem.
• Taking a deep dive into each of the segments of the art market, Magnus describes how each of them work by providing detailed chapters on how to engage with each of them: artists, galleries, art fairs, auctions & art advisors.
•  Magnus and Michael discuss Case Studies throughout the book with various art industry insiders that give real insights, such as Christie’s CEO, Guillaume Cerruti, notable collectors Rosa and Carlos de la Cruz, and the artist Tavares Strachan.
• For Jetstreams “Grab and Run Question” where we ask our guests as well as our listeners to describe a work of art in the museum of their own mind, one that they value above all others and why that is. Magnus provides an inspiring answer related to his childhood in the German Alps. 

Find Magnus at:

www.magnusresch.com
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IG: @magnusresch
LinkedIn: Magnus Resch
Facebook: @mresch

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IG: @michaeljplummer
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Welcome to Christie's Education Podcast: Jetstreams. Our guest for the inaugural episode is the award winning journalist, Kelly Crow, a staff reporter for the Wall Street Journal covering the art market, from major auction sales at Christie’s, Sotheby’s, Phillips and other houses, to analysis of the funding and art-buying activities of the world’s major museums, art fairs, artists, and collectors around the world. Kelly has covered the art market for the Journal since 2006. In this episode we discuss:

• The origins of Kelly’s unique perspective on the art world, the distance from growing up in a small community in Oklahoma to now reporting on the inner reaches of the elite art world and writing for a paper that that reports for the man on the street who is less familiar with it.
• What everyone in the art world has been talking about: what did happen at those bellwether auctions here in New York this past November? Are we in a downturn, are we not? How do we read these mixed tea leaves?
• Differences in the art market downturn of 2008 and now, and a sense of whether prices have dropped in 2023, and by how much. And auction house pricing strategies that seemed to work well.
• Auction sell-through rates and what that means in terms of the health of the market.
• Whether activity in the Fall auctions slowed the strong post-pandemic trend towards female artists and artists of color.
• Activity from Asian Collectors given the slowing of the Chinese economy.
• The passing of the baton of auctioneers from one generation to the next, with longtime auctioneer Jussi Pylkannan leaving Christie’s, to the rising star of Phyllis Kao, the first female Asian auctioneer to take a white glove evening sale.
• Surprising signs of life in the Digital and NFT sectors of the art market.
• Kelly’s provocative answer to Jetstreams “Grab and Run Question,” where we ask our guests as well as our listeners, to describe the work of art in the museum of their own mind, which artwork they value above all others and why that is.

Find Kelly Crow at:

The Wall Street Journal

X: @KellyCrowWSJ

IG: @kellycrowwsj

LinkedIn: Kelly Crow

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Welcome to the Christie’s Education Podcast, Jetstreams, hosted by Michael Plummer. We will be presenting a series of conversations with Thought Leaders that provides a forty thousand foot view of the art world as is continues to reconfigure after the Pandemic. At a time when new trends are converging, and economic forces are changing, many art market participants are asking: “What’s next?”

I will be speaking to Leading Thinkers who are drawn from a cross-section of the global art world: From Collectors to Journalists, from Museum Directors & Curators to Artists; From Dealers to Auction House Executives; Writers, Art Financiers & Art Advisors, we will get their views on what is coming next right here.

Christie’s Education is the only academic institution wholly owned by an auction house. Our programs have been developed to provide focused and intensive training for students looking for a career in the art world, or for art collectors to develop a deeper understanding of the art markets.

As one of the major art centers in the world, New York is the ideal place to study modern and contemporary art, and the art business. Our central location in Rockefeller Center gives students unique access to the art world, from Christie’s auction house, to public and private collections. We provide a hands-on approach to studying inside and outside of the classroom and learn the business of art directly from art world professionals.

For me, Michael Plummer, you can learn more about my forty years of experience at the auction houses, founding and managing the art fair, TEFAF New York, and my experience in Art Finance on LinkedIn. I currently teach regularly at Christie’s Education. 

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