In the third episode of the season, Benjamin Norris sits down to chat with one of Australia’s most famous and powerful lesbian couples, City of Sydney Liberal councillor Christine Forster, and her fiancee who has raised countless amounts of money supporting Australian youth, Virginia Edwards.

They discuss their championing for marriage equality, their former marriages and children to opposite-sex partners, discovering their sexualities later in life, and what it’s like to sit down to Christmas dinner with Christine’s older brother, former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

Word for Word airs on JOY every Saturday at 12 PM. Stream it online at JOY.org.au.