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When you’re told “we don’t have anything more for you,” the real question becomes brutally simple: what do you do next? We talk with Nancy about chronic pain, opioid use that kept her alive but did not give her a life, and the moment she realised pushing harder was actually hurting her. What follows is not a neat comeback story. It’s a clear-eyed look at identity loss, grief, and the kind of acceptance that doesn’t excuse what happened but finally stops the war with your own body.

We dig into the idea of the “new normal” and why the phrase can feel like a threat when you were built to achieve, lead, and perform. Nancy shares how her therapist reframed it: you don’t have to give up, you have to give in enough to stop fighting yourself. From there, we explore what redefining resilience really looks like in daily life: noticing limits, staying present with hard feelings, and then pushing on the possibilities that still exist inside those limits.

Nancy also tells the unforgettable story of going back to graduate school even though she couldn’t sit, bringing a portable army cot into the classroom and learning to be seen without apology. We talk disability accommodations, people-pleasing, and the way community can hand you your identity back when you’ve reduced yourself to a diagnosis. Along the way, she shares practical advice for anyone dealing with loss, burnout, illness, or a life disruption that changes everything: treat pain and grief as information, and find your person, even a health advocate, when you’re too tired to fight the system alone.

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Pamela Cass is a licensed broker with Kentwood Real Estate
Natalie Davis is a licensed broker with Keller Williams Realty Downtown, LLC