In this conversation, Kathy Hogarth shares with Ariana what it truly means to be a lover of justice and an ally for the BIPOC community. She offers insight into loving people as complete humans - not as objects or stepping stools - within our communities and especially our churches.

Kathy is a professor, chairwoman, advocate for immigrants and marginalized people groups, as well as a wife and mom. She desires to help others understand the place that racism has in our society and cares deeply about justice; living it out in every day life.

To see more from Kathy, you can visit her Twitter or read her articles.

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