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Church Front Worship and Tech Podcast - Episode with Joey Parish Guest: Joey Parish - Founder of Parish Drums Episode Description

Join us for an in-depth conversation with Joey Parish, founder of Parish Drums and longtime touring drummer with Chris Tomlin and Shane & Shane. Discover how one drummer's need for portable gear led to a complete rethinking of drums designed specifically for worship contexts. From canvas drum heads to brush techniques, Joey shares practical insights for worship teams looking to solve volume and space challenges.

Key Topics Covered Joey's Background

• Started playing in church in 5th/6th grade with a pawn shop drum kit
• Early touring with Chris Tomlin (the "little east Texas guy in a cowboy hat")
• Years on the road with Shane & Shane, learning nuanced, acoustic-focused drumming
• Transition from bus tours to flying and the birth of Parish Drums

The Parish Drums Innovation

• The Problem: Need for consistent, portable drums for fly dates
• The Research: Existing portable kits were too heavy (70+ lbs without cases)
• The Solution: Custom-built nesting kit under 50 lbs, fits in airline luggage
• Evolution: From 14" bass drum to current 18" bass drum design

Design Philosophy

• Wood Choices: Mahogany exterior, poplar interior (softer, less dense woods)
• Bearing Edges: Rounded edges for less resonance and more control
• Shell Depth: Shorter drums for quicker decay
• Goal: "Dead, thumpy" drums that don't require extensive muffling

Revolutionary Canvas Heads

• Patent Pending: First-of-its-kind cotton canvas drum heads
• Benefits: Extremely quiet, removes high frequencies, maintains attack
• Testing: Road-tested extensively during Shane & Shane Christmas tour
• Sound: Natural muffling without sacrificing musical quality

Playing Techniques for Worship

• Brush Advocacy: Nylon bristle brushes for volume control and articulation
• Brush Development: Creating improved brushes to solve durability issues
• Dynamic Range: Learning to play from whisper-quiet to full volume
• Adaptability: Removing drums as needed to fit the room/moment

Practical Tips for Worship Drummers In-Ear Monitor Mixing

• Counter-intuitive Tip: Turn problem instruments UP in your mix to naturally play softer
• Simplification: Turn off crowd mics, choir mics to maintain timing focus
• Click Track: Use plenty of click for solid timing foundation

Transitioning from Rock to Worship

1. Understand the Mission: Create an environment for corporate worship
2. Know the Songs: Learn originals thoroughly before adapting
3. Build Vocabulary: Play with different worship leaders to develop adaptability
4. Embrace Dynamics: Move beyond on/off playing to gradual dynamic shifts

Room Adaptation

• Play the Room: Adjust setup and dynamics to fit the space
• Less is More: Sometimes removing elements serves the music better
• Acoustic Partnership: Leave space for other instruments to fill

Technical Insights Microphone Approaches

• Versatility: Parish drums work well with any standard drum mics
• Preference: Beta 98s on toms for wood hoop compatibility
• Studio Standard: 421s on toms, large diaphragm dynamics on kick
• Monitor Mix: Often removes bottom snare mic from personal mix for clarity

Drum Tuning and Setup

• Locking Tension Rods: Maintain tuning stability during transport
• Head Choices: Evans 56 Calftone (synthetic calfskin) for natural feel
• Snare Wires: Uses 12-strand instead of typical 42-strand for volume control
• Shell Materials: Prioritizes control over projection and resonance

Shane Bernard Collaboration Insights Musical Partnership

• Extreme Dynamics: Shane plays from inaudible whisper to full volume
• Percussive Approach: Shane thinks like a drummer on guitar
• Negative Space: Musicians fill each other's gaps rather than competing
• Real-time Adaptation: Shared musical language allows for spontaneous changes

Learning from a Master

• Observation Period: Spent month doing sound before playing, learning the parts
• Musical Vocabulary: Built understanding of Shane's musical thinking
• Dynamic Response: Learned to match and complement extreme dynamic ranges

Business and Ministry Integration The Worship Initiative Partnership

• Resource Support: Financial and operational backing for growth
• Shared Mission: Equipping churches with better tools for worship
• Content Creation: Part of comprehensive worship training platform

Church Applications

• Volume Control: Primary solution for churches struggling with drum volume
• Space Efficiency: Fits in corners, small stages, intimate settings
• Aesthetic: Eliminates need for drum shields in many cases
• Consistency: Same sound every service, regardless of room acoustics

Resources and Connect Parish Drums

• Website: parishdrums.com
• Innovation: Canvas heads and improved brush designs coming soon
• Focus: Drums designed specifically for worship contexts

The Worship Initiative

• Website: theworshipinitiative.com
• Content: Songwriting, heart training, instrument training
• Mission: Comprehensive worship leader development

Quotable Moments

"I learned to do more with less. When you're touring with buses and trucks and trailers, you end up bringing more than you need... it really helped move me back to these are the fundamentals. This is man, you're here to keep time and occasionally do something interesting maybe."

"Every kit in every church is just covered in gaff tape and gels and big fat snare drum rings... So what I wanted to do was out of the box have just the dead, most dead thumpy drums with the least amount of resonance."

"If you just Google 'drum muffle,' you can just scroll for pages and pages and pages... everybody that I know in my whole career has been spent trying to tame frequencies, overtones, all that stuff."

"We want to sing together. We want to praise the Lord... We want to create an environment where that's the most possible."

Episode Length: Approximately 65 minutes Host: Luke Jackson Production: Church Front Worship and Tech Podcast

Podcast Notes: Interview with Carson Bruce of The Worship Keys Episode Overview

In this episode of the Church Front Worship and Tech Podcast, Luke Jackson interviews Carson Bruce, founder of The Worship Keys platform—a resource dedicated to helping keys players in worship settings improve their skills and understanding of their role.

About Carson Bruce & The Worship Keys

• Founder of The Worship Keys platform, which focuses on four main areas: music theory, gear/software, ministry, and industry
• Classically trained pianist who now lives in Nashville
• The Worship Keys podcast releases weekly on Wednesdays, featuring interviews with keys players

Origin Story

• Carson created the platform because he "wished something like this existed" when he was younger
• Piano has been central to his personal faith journey—often serving as his "prayer closet"
• Noticed a gap in resources specifically for worship keys players

Essential Skills for Worship Pianists

1. Heart Posture: "If your heart is not in ministry...you're not going to stay on that stage satisfied"
2. Playing by Ear: Learning to listen and replicate what you hear is crucial
3. Nashville Number System: Understanding music theory through the number system
4. Ear Training: Practice playing unfamiliar worship songs by ear, then verify with chord charts
5. Focus on Fundamentals: Learn to play well before worrying about gear

Transitioning from Classical to Contemporary

• Classical training often emphasizes sight-reading and technical precision
• Worship contexts require playing by ear, improvisation, and band awareness
• Many pianists struggle with this transition because the learning approaches are fundamentally different

Nashville Number System for Keys Players

Despite some believing it's mainly useful for guitarists, Carson advocates for pianists using the Nashville Number System because:

• It facilitates whole-band communication
• Makes modulation easier
• Numbers are quicker to call out than complex chord names
• Works internationally across language barriers
• Promotes collaboration rather than piano-centric leadership

Common Mistakes Worship Keys Players Make

1. Overplaying the Low End: Creates muddiness when there's already a bass player
2. Doing Too Much: Sometimes simplicity serves the song better
3. Playing Full Triads in Both Hands: Consider simpler voicings like fifths or suspended chords
4. Not Understanding Context: Different musical styles require different approaches

Technology Tips Software Options

• MainStage: Good for Mac users, moderate learning curve
• Ableton Live: Most powerful but steeper learning curve
• Sunday Keys App: User-friendly iPad app with AI capabilities ($120)

Hardware Highlight

• Atmosphere Pedal by Aerospace Audio: Physical pedal with high-quality atmospheric pads built in
• Allows pianists to trigger pads without needing a computer on stage
• Features 10 different pad sounds based on atmospheric layers
• Small footprint allows it to be placed directly on the keyboard

Keys Players' Rigs

Carson's typical setup includes:

• Arturia KeyLab MIDI controller
• MainStage software for sounds
• Focusrite 18i20 interface when running tracks
• Software from Sunday Sounds or Aerospace Audio for pads

Decision-Making for Keys Equipment

Carson's advice:

• If your keyboard works well, keep it and upgrade your sounds through software
• Consider Sunday Keys app for simplicity and ease of use
• MainStage for Mac users who want more control
• Ableton Live for those willing to invest time in learning a comprehensive system
• Use iPad apps when available to avoid complex computer setups

Sunday Keys App Highlights

• Features AI-generated sounds based on text or emoji descriptions
• Allows easy sharing of setlists between multiple campuses
• Affordable one-time purchase with optional annual updates
• Limitation: Cannot currently import custom-created patches

Artists That Inspire Carson

• Red Rocks Worship (particularly Spooky Scott)
• Elevation Rhythm (especially "Goodbye Yesterday")
• The Ramp Worship from Hamilton, Alabama
• Various gospel artists for technical inspiration

Connect with The Worship Keys

• Instagram: @theworshipkeys
• YouTube: The Worship Keys
• Email: [email protected]

Key Quotes

• "If you're not using the number system as a pianist, maybe you're not meaning to, but it's like you're trying to say one up almost."
• "It's like buying a Lamborghini and driving it in first gear everywhere you go."
• "The piano was once looked at as a secular instrument that you only play in the bars and the pubs, and then it was brought into the church and people had big problems with that."
• "A lot of times they're asking you to do less in a full band context."

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Pastoring Your Congregation Through Worship with Ben Haley Episode Summary

In this powerful session from the Church Front Conference, Ben Haley shares three essential foundations for effective worship ministry that truly shepherds congregations. Drawing from scripture and personal experience, Ben explains how worship leaders must know their hearts, know their Bibles, and know their people to lead worship that transforms lives.

Show Notes Key Timestamps

• 00:00 - Opening quote and introduction
• 00:59 - Ben shares the moving story of his father's final moments
• 03:18 - The profound influence of worship music and responsibility it brings
• 05:35 - What should be the foundation of worship ministry?
• 06:37 - Foundation #1: Know your heart
• 11:06 - Foundation #2: Know your Bible
• 15:35 - Practical tips for selecting and using worship songs
• 17:44 - Foundation #3: Know your people
• 21:29 - The danger of prioritizing programs over people
• 24:27 - Final encouragement to show off God's glory
• 25:39 - Closing quote from Martyn Lloyd-Jones

Key Topics The Lasting Impact of Worship Songs

• Ben's father, despite being sedated and on a ventilator, communicated "It is well with my soul" in his final moments
• People rarely remember sermon details but often recall songs throughout their lives and even on their deathbeds
• What we sing has a profound influence on us, creating great responsibility for worship leaders

Foundation #1: Know Your Heart

• Reference to 1 Timothy 4 - "Watch your life and doctrine closely"
• Cultural conditioning has led us to value competency over character
• Ephesians 5:18-19 commands being filled with the Spirit before addressing singing
• Many things can cause us to neglect our hearts: busy schedules, tasks, praise, or personal struggles
• "If our ministries are to bless the congregations that we lead, then our ministries have to be led and staffed by people who know that we have a great need for Jesus."

Foundation #2: Know Your Bible

• Compare Ephesians 5:18-19 with Colossians 3:16 - singing flows from being Spirit-filled and Word-filled
• Technological and musical excellence alone don't make disciples
• "What truly makes disciples is the Word of God revealed by His Holy Spirit in the hearts and minds of His people."
• "The song book of a church is an indicator of that church's maturity."
• People need biblically rich lyrics to help them through grief, shame, and cultural confusion

Practical Song Selection Guidelines

• Songs should use biblical language and themes
• Songs should be singable for the congregation
• Find creative ways to incorporate Scripture into worship times (slides, readings, etc.)
• Style preferences (old/new, simple/complex, upbeat/slow) are secondary to biblical content
• "When your people are moved by a melody...make sure that what you are giving your people to sing is something worth singing from the Word."

Foundation #3: Know Your People

• Ephesians 5 and Colossians 3 both emphasize singing "to one another"
• Corporate worship is both vertical (to God) and horizontal (to each other)
• We need each other's voices when we're struggling to worship
• Practical implication: music shouldn't be so loud that congregants can't hear each other
• "The church is Jesus's bride. These are his people. He cherishes them. He gave his life for them."
• You can't shepherd people you don't know

The Ultimate Goal of Worship Ministry

• Help people do what they were designed to do - worship God
• Attempts to reform behavior or conform people to church culture will fail
• "What you win people with is what you win them to."
• "Use those instruments, use those melodies, use the soundboards, use the lighting controllers to show off God's glory, and give your people the kinds of songs that they will sing on their deathbeds."

Memorable Quotes

"What we sing has a profound influence on us." - Ben Haley

"With great power comes great responsibility." - Ben Haley (quoting Uncle Ben from Spider-Man)

"We have been conditioned by our culture to value competency over character. We prefer platform over piety. We choose hype over holiness." - Ben Haley

"Great melodies don't make disciples. A brighter projector doesn't make disciples. An online service with better EQ doesn't make disciples." - Ben Haley

"The song book of a church is an indicator of that church's maturity." - Ben Haley

"Church music is not a one-way street from an individual to God. It's also something we do with each other and for each other." - Ben Haley

"Church leaders are not leaders of nobody. We are leaders of people." - Ben Haley

"I can forgive a man for a bad sermon...if he gives me some dim glimpse of the majesty and the glory of God, the love of Christ my savior, and the magnificence of the gospel." - Martyn Lloyd-Jones (quoted by Ben Haley)

Scripture References

• 1 Timothy 4 - "Watch your life and doctrine closely"
• Ephesians 5:18-19 - "Be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs"
• Colossians 3:16 - "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly...singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs"
• Psalm 146 - "Praise the Lord, O my soul"
• John 10 - Jesus knows his sheep and they know his voice

Resources Mentioned

• Stephen Miller (author referenced regarding worship leadership)
• Charles Spurgeon (quoted regarding personal worship)
• Martyn Lloyd-Jones (quoted in opening and closing)

Next Steps

For worship leaders and tech teams wanting to implement Ben's teaching:

1. Evaluate your personal worship habits and spiritual disciplines
2. Review your church's song selections for biblical content and singability
3. Make an effort to build deeper relationships with congregation members
4. Consider ways to incorporate more Scripture into your worship services

 

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Church Front Show - NAB 2025 & Church Architecture Insights Episode Summary

Jake Gosselin shares his experience at the NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) Show 2025, highlighting innovative broadcast technology for churches. He and Matt Woltjer also discuss church architecture trends and why thoughtful building design matters for worship spaces.

Show Notes Timestamps

• 0:08 - Welcome and introduction
• 1:12 - Church Front hiring announcement
• 5:28 - NAB Show 2025 overview
• 6:43 - Hollyland cameras for vertical video
• 7:12 - Lyntec power sequencing systems
• 11:14 - Canon CR-N100 PTZ camera
• 12:33 - Church Front's studio camera setup (CR-N500 & CR-N300)
• 15:05 - Canon RC-IP1000 PTZ controller
• 17:40 - Canon C400 cinema camera
• 20:31 - Allen & Heath AHM matrix mixing system
• 24:18 - DiGiCo Quantum mixing console
• 25:39 - Blackmagic Design booth and new gear
• 27:47 - SMPTE 2110 IP video protocol benefits
• 32:16 - Blackmagic Pyxis 6K camera
• 33:55 - ATEM Mini Extreme ISO G2 switcher
• 36:01 - ATEM Constellation switchers
• 41:02 - PTZOptics Hive Studio for remote camera operation
• 42:07 - Meeting PTZOptics team
• 43:07 - Santa Barbara church architecture discussion
• 44:45 - Why modern churches favor utilitarian buildings
• 48:15 - Economic factors affecting church construction
• 52:49 - Revitalizing vs. building new facilities
• 54:16 - Church growth strategies and building acquisition

Key Topics Church Front Job Opening

• AVL Technician position available at Church Front (Melbourne, FL)
• Apply at churchfront.com/avl-technician
• Responsibilities include equipment rack assembly and system deployment

NAB Show Highlights

Lyntec Power Sequencing

• Integrates power sequencing into electrical panels
• Offers motorized circuit breakers and remote control
• Provides flexibility for system automation in new church builds

Canon Camera Technology

• CR-N100: More affordable alternative to the CR-N300 (no SDI, but keeps NDI capability)
• CR-N500: High-quality PTZ now used in Church Front studio
• C400: Cinema camera alternative to the RED Komodo with Canon's color science and autofocus

Allen & Heath AHM

• Matrix mixing system for simpler audio control
• Perfect for events requiring basic microphone and playback functionality
• Can bypass the main console for volunteer-friendly operation

Blackmagic Design Technology

• SMPTE 2110 IP protocol for video distribution over CAT6 cables
• Saves money compared to expensive 12G-SDI cabling ($2/foot)
• Studio cameras with 10Gb ethernet for single-cable connectivity
• Pyxis 6K camera at just $3,200

PTZOptics Hive Studio

• Remote camera operation via internet
• Allows volunteers to control cameras from home
• Part of growing remote production trend

Church Architecture Discussion

• Critique of modern "black box" utilitarian church buildings
• Benefits of intentional, beautiful worship spaces
• Economic factors (inflation) making quality construction more difficult
• Strategies for church growth:
  • Acquiring existing church buildings
  • Building smaller (250-500 seats) beautiful spaces
  • Multi-site approach vs. single large campus
• Community formation in different sized worship spaces

Resources Mentioned

• Church Front Toolkit: churchfront.com/toolkit
• Church Front job board: churchfront.com/job-board/
• Church Front Facebook Group (for discussions)

Connect With Church Front

• Website: churchfront.com
• Subscribe to the podcast on Spotify and other platforms

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Active Mixing - From Boring to Baller Episode Overview

In this episode, Michael Curtis shares practical strategies for creating more engaging, dynamic worship mixes. Drawing from his background as a professional bass player and mixer, he explores how intentionality and specificity can transform "boring" mixes into creative, engaging experiences that better serve worship environments.

Time Stamps & Key Points Introduction [00:48]

• Michael introduces the concept of "active mixing" versus boring mixing
• The challenge: Moving beyond "it sounds fine" to creating engaging, dynamic mixes
• Creativity as the antidote to boring mixing

Creativity Through Structure [01:41]

• Biblical concept of creation: bringing order from formlessness
• The playground analogy: Children with fenced playgrounds use 90% of the space vs. 30% without fences
• "Sometimes what feels like a straight jacket is actually a Narnia closet"
• Leadership through specificity and making finer distinctions

Strategies for Worship Pastors [05:52]

• Prescriptive leadership can be valuable when appropriate
  • The progression from 10 Commandments (prescriptive) to Sermon on the Mount (descriptive)
  • Matching leadership style to team maturity level
• Create "sit-down chords" - signals that create clear expectations
  • Setting up rhythms and cues that guide the worship team
• Organize tracks by function, not just instrument:
  • Percussion: Rhythm-driving elements
  • Foundation: Bass and low-end elements
  • Filler: Pads and ambient elements
  • Leads: Melodic elements that guide congregation
• Gamify growth paths for volunteers
  • Create progressive learning steps (like unlocking levels in a game)
  • Apply "arbitrary limits" that help beginners master fundamentals before moving on
• Name and assign musical ownership
  • Clarify who owns each musical element at any given time
  • Consider adding a dedicated "music producer" position

Strategies for Musicians [12:36]

• "Rhythm Randy needs a retirement party"
  • Moving beyond mindlessly strumming the chord chart
  • Playing a part rather than just playing the chart
• Use the whole playground within boundaries
  • Finding creative ways to express within structure
• Create "alley-oop" moments
  • Intentional handoffs between instruments
  • Setting up moments for other musicians to shine
• Beware of "bedroom vacuums"
  • Sounds created in isolation often take up too much sonic space
  • Smaller sonic footprint needed in larger ensembles
• Interesting is greater than good
  • Focus on creating compelling sounds, not just technically correct ones
• Hire both "Jekyll and Hyde"
  • Balance between foundational players and texture specialists

Strategies for Front of House Engineers [18:57]

• Be the guide - lead with your decisions
  • Take charge of the mix and make intentional choices
• Use contrast effectively
  • Create distinction between elements (can't have "close" without "far")
  • Highlight different instruments in different sections
• Anticipate "oops" moments, don't just react
  • Push faders before transitions, not after they happen
• Vary verse highlights
  • Intentionally feature different instruments in different verses
  • Keep congregation engaged through variety
• Develop common tonal language
  • The "5-1-2" system for describing frequency ranges
  • Creating shared vocabulary for sound issues
• Reference the real
  • Compare your mix to professional recordings
  • Combat ear fatigue by checking against references
• Mise en place - everything in its place
  • Strategic console layout for efficient mixing
  • Positioning faders for easy access during active mixing

Conclusion [24:25]

• Start with clear direction (10 Commandments approach) then move to principles (Sermon on the Mount)
• Have the courage to be specific with your team
• Embrace structure as a pathway to creativity

Key Quotes

• "Sometimes what feels like a straight jacket is actually a Narnia closet."
• "Move away from playing the chart to playing the part."
• "It is in that company's best interest to give you a patch that sounds great out of the box, but that's taking up a lot of real estate to make it sound good on its own."
• "Be the guide, take charge, lead your congregation with your decisions."
• "There cannot be close if there's not far, there cannot be wide if there isn't narrow."
• "Interesting is greater than or at least equal to good."

Practical Applications

1. For Worship Pastors:

   • Organize tracks by function rather than instrument type
   • Create clear growth paths for volunteers
   • Be appropriately prescriptive with newer team members

2. For Musicians:

   • Consider your sonic footprint within the full band context
   • Play intentional parts, not just the chord chart
   • Create sounds that are interesting, not just technically correct

3. For Sound Engineers:

   • Use your left and right hands strategically on the console
   • Intentionally highlight different instruments in different verses
   • Reference professional mixes to maintain perspective

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Podcast Notes: The Church Front Show - Studio Setup & New Products Episode Overview

In this episode of The Church Front Show, hosts Jake Gosselin and Matt Woltjer discuss plans for their podcast studio setup, review newly released audio/video products, share updates about Church Front Conference 2025, and explore potential expansion plans for their company.

Time Stamps & Key Points Introduction [00:00]

• Jake and Matt joking about camera specifications and recording quality
• Initial discussion about their podcast setup needs

Podcast Studio Equipment Plans [00:45]

• Microphone considerations:
  • Shure SM7B microphones (with mention of the DB version with built-in preamp)
  • Discussion about the need for Cloud Lifters with standard SM7Bs
• Audio equipment:
  • Yamaha DM3D digital mixer with Dante capabilities
  • Headphone monitoring options (in-ear vs. over-ear)
• Studio furniture:
  • Plans for a larger 72" x 36" Uline cafe table
  • Preference for a setup where hosts face each other for better interaction
• Acoustic treatment:
  • Prime Acoustic panels already installed
  • Need for cloud panels (jokingly assigned to Chris)

Lighting Setup [07:21]

• Nanlite PavoTubes for accent lighting
• Discussion about permanent vs. flexible lighting options
• Consideration of Aperture softboxes for overhead lighting
• Preference for movable stands with casters for flexibility

Camera Equipment [10:13]

• Currently using Sony FX3 camera
• Plans to transition to PTZ (Pan-Tilt-Zoom) cameras with NDI connectivity
• Benefits of NDI: single ethernet cable for power, control, and video
• Production approach using ECAMM Live software
• Discussion about camera mounting options

New Warehouse Plans [16:54]

• Looking at additional warehouse space with the same landlord
• Need for more assembly, rack-building, and testing space
• Benefits of pre-programming and pre-building systems before installation
• Goal of improving craftsmanship in rack builds

Church Front Conference 2025 [31:30]

• Announcement: moving to Rock Harbor Church in Florida
• Limited capacity of 200-250 attendees (down from ~400 last year)
• Conference dates: November 4-5, 2025
• Location benefit: half a mile from the beach
• Advice to get tickets early due to limited availability

New Product Reviews [33:31]

• Shure SLXD4Q Dante:
  • New Dante-enabled version of SLXD wireless system
  • Comparison with higher-end ULX-D and QLX-D systems
  • Price point and channel count considerations
  • Space-saving quad-channel receiver in single rack space
• Dante Virtual Sound Card Pro:
  • New subscription model ($100 first year, $125 subsequent years)
  • Increased channel count: 128x128 at 48kHz
  • Discussion about subscription pricing models
• Waves Titan Sound Grid Server:
  • High-performance audio processing server
  • Comparison with other Waves servers (Proton)
  • Use cases for high channel counts and plugin-heavy mixing
• Waves Classic LV1 Console:
  • Price increase from $8,000 to $9,500
  • Church Front has three units coming in (with two potentially available)
  • Discussion about modular vs. all-in-one system approaches
• Stream Deck rack mounts and panels:
  • Custom mounting solutions for Stream Deck controllers
  • Companion satellite server integration options
  • Applications for church control systems

Concluding Segment [54:44]

• Request for feedback on the new show format
• Plans for future in-person and remote guest episodes
• Mention of potential call-in question format
• Information about joining the Church Front crew

Equipment Mentioned

• Shure SM7B microphones (including DB version)
• Yamaha DM3D digital mixer
• Uline cafe tables
• Prime Acoustic panels
• Nanlite PavoTubes
• Aperture lighting products
• Sony FX3 camera
• PTZ cameras with NDI
• ECAMM Live software
• Shure SLXD4Q Dante wireless systems
• Waves Titan server
• Waves Classic LV1 console
• Stream Deck mounting solutions

Action Steps

1. Visit churchfront.com to connect with their team
2. Join the waitlist at churchfront.com/crew if interested in working with them
3. Consider attending Church Front Conference 2025 in Florida (get tickets early)
4. Email [email protected] with any questions
5. Leave a review if listening on podcast platforms

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Podcast Notes: Asking Better Questions in Worship Ministry - Kelsey McGinnis Keynote Episode Overview

In this episode, we present Kelsey McGinnis' keynote from Churchfront Conference 2024. As a musicologist and researcher specializing in congregational music culture, Kelsey explores how transforming problematic worship ministry questions into deeper ones reveals important insights about community, belonging, and authentic worship.

Time Stamps & Key Points Introduction [00:00]

• Kelsey's opening insight: "Whether someone sings in corporate worship probably has very little to do with how they feel about the songs themselves. It has everything to do with how they feel about their voices."
• Introduction of Kelsey McGinnis, musicologist and researcher of congregational music
• Her approach to using questions as the foundation for research and writing

Bad Questions vs. Better Questions [00:43]

• The problem with starting with bad questions
• How even problematic questions can lead to important insights
• The process of refining questions to get to deeper truths
• Why questions about music often reveal deeper issues about community

Case Study 1: Male Singing Participation [01:49]

• The problematic initial question: "Why aren't men singing in church?"
• Why this is a bad question (confrontational, assumes something not necessarily true)
• How online discourse frames this issue ineffectively
• Conversation with Dr. Randall Bradley from Baylor University (director of Baylor Men's Choir)
• Key insight: "Whether someone sings in corporate worship probably has very little to do with how they feel about the songs themselves. It has everything to do with how they feel about their voices."
• Stories from men about their relationship with their voices:
  • Being made fun of during adolescent voice changes
  • Feeling their low voices intrude during quiet worship moments
  • Not feeling their vocal contribution is valued
• The importance of mentorship for young male singers
• Better question: How do we create worship where all voices feel welcomed and valued?

Case Study 2: Changing Role of Church Musicians [09:07]

• The strange initial question: "Is it more boring to be a church drummer now than it was 20 years ago?"
• Why this question arose (multiple drummers independently expressing the same sentiment)
• How worship music style has evolved over 30 years:
  • Movement from rock-based to EDM-influenced styles
  • Increased use of click tracks, pads, and loops
  • More accessible technology changing worship landscapes
• Better questions: "What has changed for drummers in the past 20 years? Has anything meaningful been lost?"
• Contrasting drummer experiences:
  • One drummer who feels more creative with new technology
  • Another who feels increasingly obsolete
• The deeper question: "How do we let worship evolve without pushing people aside?"
• The challenge of obsolescence in church ministry
• Observations from the Sing Conference in Nashville:
  • Older worship leaders finding community where they don't feel obsolete
  • The need for intergenerational inclusion in worship

Case Study 3: Technology in Worship [16:30]

• The limiting initial question: "Should churches use live autotune?"
• Problems with "should" questions (invite simple yes/no answers)
• Various perspectives on autotune:
  • As "spellcheck" or "bowling bumpers" for vocalists
  • As pitch coordination similar to click tracks
  • Concerns about becoming "karaoke franchises"
• Better questions: "What are we really worried about with technology? When do we cross a threshold?"
• Parallels to concerns about AI-generated art
• The deeper question: "How do we balance humanity and imperfection with our desire for excellence?"
• Thought-provoking quote: "Contemporary worship is in its Vogue magazine era—the Photoshopped version of itself"
• The church's opportunity to model acceptance of imperfection and humanity

Case Study 4: Lament in Worship [23:06]

• Common question: "How do we make space for lament in our worship?"
• Widespread sense that popular worship doesn't adequately address lament
• Conversation with Matt Maher about emotional whiplash in services
• Better questions: "What do we actually need to lament? What hurt are we responding to?"
• The need for worship to respond to hurt both inside and outside church walls
• Letting worship be shaped by love of neighbors rather than love of excellence

Conclusion [25:57]

• The human desire for easy answers and clear categories
• Why superstitious views of music (healing frequencies, etc.) miss the point
• The challenge of moving beyond online "takes" to deeper community questions
• The value of telling stories that lead to wiser questions

Key Quotes

• "Whether someone sings in corporate worship probably has very little to do with how they feel about the songs themselves. It has everything to do with how they feel about their voices."
• "If you feel like your voice is a gift, that it has a place, you're more likely to offer it as a sacrifice of praise."
• "I want to be part of a community where people aren't primarily valued for their ability to serve a particular aesthetic."
• "Contemporary worship is in its Vogue magazine era—the Photoshopped version of itself."
• "One radical thing that the church can do is be a place where we can model acceptance of the awkwardness and imperfection that comes about when you allow people to create something together."

Resources Mentioned

• Dr. Randall Bradley from Baylor University
• The Sing Conference in Nashville (hosted by Keith and Kristin Getty)
• Religion News Service article on autotune in worship
• Matt Maher (songwriter and worship leader)

Action Steps

1. Examine the questions you're asking about your worship ministry
2. Consider how your technology choices affect people's sense of belonging
3. Create space for all voices to feel valued in your worship context
4. Evaluate whether your pursuit of excellence might be excluding certain voices
5. Look for ways to let your worship respond to the hurt in your community

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Podcast Notes: The Future of Worship Leading with David Santistevan Episode Overview

In this episode of the Church Front Worship and Tech Podcast, Luke Jackson interviews David Santistevan, a seasoned worship pastor, podcast host, and ministry coach. David shares insights from his 25 years in worship ministry, including his experience as a local church worship pastor, his five years traveling the country in an RV, and his current work helping churches develop healthy worship cultures.

Time Stamps & Key Points Introduction [00:00]

• David opens with reflections on the current state of worship ministry
• Concerns about worship becoming too automated and standardized
• The danger of "sleepwalking through worship" when relying too heavily on technology

David's Background [01:15]

• 25 years in worship ministry
• Host of the Beyond Sunday podcast for 12 years
• Served as a worship pastor at his home church in Pittsburgh for 12 years
• Sold his house and traveled in an RV with his family for 5 years
• Currently based in Orlando, Florida

The RV Journey [03:42]

• Family decision to sell everything and travel
• Visited nearly 40 national parks and all lower 48 states
• Combined adventure with ministry - partnering with churches for training and workshops
• Recording the podcast from their RV wherever they had WiFi

Beyond Sunday Podcast [05:59]

• Started as a blog before transitioning to a podcast
• Focus on practical worship ministry topics
• Emphasis on serving the "underdog" local church worship leader
• Has recorded over 330 episodes interviewing worship leaders and artists
• Covers everything from rehearsal techniques to team development

Reconnecting with Unique Church Identity [13:12]

• David's concerns about homogenization in church worship
• "What God's doing at Bethel is wonderful, but what God's doing at my church is amazing as well"
• Warning against equating worship ministry success with being a worship artist
• Encouragement to embrace your church's uniqueness and "don't despise small beginnings"
• "Worship ministry isn't about writing songs or being cool... it's about loving people and making disciples"

Ministry Longevity vs. Career Advancement [18:28]

• Discussion about the "climbing the ladder" mentality in worship ministry
• Importance of evaluating church culture and staff health
• Some worship pastors finding renewed joy in smaller churches after megachurch burnout
• Warning against "shiny object syndrome" - the constant pursuit of the next opportunity
• "Maybe instead of transplanting yourself to a team that's more put together, God is calling you to invest in your little team"

Working with Different Church Cultures [22:32]

• David's experience serving diverse churches during his RV travels
• Finding common ground across different worship styles and approaches
• Universal desire for authenticity and encountering God
• Helping teams focus on playing together rather than just playing perfectly
• "Rehearsal practice is personal and rehearsal is relational"

Over-Programmed Worship [26:22]

• The shift away from midweek rehearsals and its impact
• Getting too focused on executing flawless services
• Missing the relational and spiritual elements of worship preparation
• "We've gotten really good at pulling off excellent services... but we miss out on the presence-based flow in worship"

Finding Balance Between Structure and Flow [29:36]

• Importance of unity with church leadership before making changes
• Building trust with your pastor before introducing new worship approaches
• The problem with "playlist worship" - hitting play and running on autopilot
• Practical suggestions: planning fewer songs to create more space
• Introducing medleys and acapella moments for more organic worship

Creating Powerful Worship Moments [35:29]

• Planning intentional space in every worship set
• The power of quiet moments when the band drops out
• Creating opportunities for the congregation to sing without amplification
• "My favorite moments of worship are when the band has dropped out and the people of God are just singing at the top of their lungs"
• Incorporating simple refrains that don't require people to think too much

The State of Worship Songwriting [40:15]

• Reflection on the current trends in worship songwriting
• Concerns about songwriting becoming an idol
• Provocative suggestion: "What if we just went on a worship songwriting fast for six months?"
• Benefits of focusing less on what's trending and more on what local congregations need
• Balance between developing creativity and obsessing over new songs

Current Worship Influences [47:05]

• David mentions Aiden King's "Thank You So Much Jesus" as a recent favorite
• Discussion of the distinction between worship music as a listening category versus congregational worship
• David's love for ambient, instrumental music (particularly Hammock)
• The therapeutic value of music without lyrics for worship leaders

Conclusion [51:02]

• Where to find David: Instagram and YouTube @BeyondSundayWorship
• David's appreciation for the Church Front ministry and resources

Key Quotes

• "We're sounding the same, we're doing the same songs in the same way... it's almost like we're on autopilot a little bit."
• "Don't despise how small your church is right now... that's the beauty of the body of Christ."
• "Worship ministry isn't about writing songs, it's not about being cool... it's about loving people. It's about making disciples."
• "My favorite moments of worship are when the band has dropped out and the people of God are just singing at the top of their lungs."
• "What if we just went on a worship songwriting fast for six months? What would that do for us if we just stopped writing songs and releasing worship music for a little bit?"

Resources Mentioned

• Beyond Sunday Worship (David's ministry)
• Beyond Sunday podcast
• Aiden King's music
• Hammock (ambient instrumental music)

Action Steps

1. Evaluate whether your worship ministry has become too programmed or automated
2. Plan intentional spaces in your worship sets for organic moments
3. Consider the unique identity of your church rather than copying megachurch models
4. Build trust with your leadership before introducing significant worship style changes
5. Balance excellence with authenticity in your approach to worship

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Podcast Notes: The Church Front Show - Streaming Showdowns, Volunteer Tech Culture, and Easter Hot Takes Episode Overview

In this episode of The Church Front Show, hosts Jake Gosselin and Matt Woltjer discuss several important topics for church tech teams including streaming platform updates, volunteer management challenges, studio equipment upgrades, and Easter service preparation. They also share interesting tech spotlights and clarify Church Front's service offerings.

Time Stamps & Key Points Introduction [00:02]

• Welcome to The Church Front Show with Jake Gosselin and Matt Woltjer
• Jake introduces himself as "low voltage specialist" while Matt jokes about being the "Stream Deck guy"
• Mention of Church Front's website and the new "Toolkit" featuring gear packages and bundles

Streaming Showdown Follow-Up [01:27]

• Discussion of Resi's response to their previous streaming platform comparison video
• Key issues identified by Resi:
  • Tests were conducted on outdated firmware missing critical improvements
  • Resi Mini encoder was configured at a much higher bitrate (15 Mbps vs. 4 Mbps)
• Jake's acknowledgment: "We messed up. We mess up all the time. Don't take everything we said as the final truth."
• Explanation of philosophical differences between streaming platforms:
  • BoxCast prioritizes near real-time delivery even with occasional quality reduction
  • Resi prioritizes consistent video quality with accepted delays
• Matt explains the challenges of recording comparison videos: "We recorded this video three times... you have to basically stop what you're doing, congest your network or cut the cable..."

Volunteer Tech Culture Discussion [11:34]

• Response to a social media post about a 26-year tech volunteer who was abruptly dismissed
• The volunteer had served for 26 years and was told by a new pastor (8 months at the church) they were "going in a different direction" with no further explanation
• Perspectives from both sides:
  • Leadership should build relationships and provide clear communication about vision
  • Volunteers should maintain open communication and approach changes with humility
• Matt's insight: "If you build good relationships with your people, hopefully it never comes to this type of a post... if you can do it through that element of respect and love and relationship, it's going to turn out way better."

Studio Updates & Equipment [18:16]

• Current equipment upgrades:
  • Shure SM7B microphones (not the DB version as intended)
  • Yamaha DM3 mixer
  • CRM 300 camera with a 500 model on the way
  • NDI video integration with ECAMM
  • Uline cafe table (72″ x 36″)
  • Prime Acoustic wall panels
• Jake's appreciation for ECAMM: "ECAMM now in my opinion is a little bit underrated as a live stream solution for churches"
• Discussion of ProPresenter's limitation: lack of NDI HX output

Church Front Growth [24:24]

• Announcement about company expansion
• Currently hiring for a Solutions Specialist role
• Future need for additional AV technicians for upcoming projects
• New warehouse space development
• Applications available through the Church Front website resources page

Tech Spotlights [26:31]

• DIY Front of House Console Build:
  • YouTube creator completely disassembled an Avantis console
  • Integration with rack-mounted computers to create a 4-in-1 system
  • Controls audio, ProPresenter, lighting, and video
  • Matt's warning: "Don't do this until you've had your Avantis for at least two years and the warranty's no longer good."
• LED System Installation:
  • Church in Nebraska with 6.5′ x 11.5′ LED screens
  • Impressive architectural integration including sliding door to reveal screens
• Universal Audio Apollo Headphone Amp:
  • Discussion of potential studio upgrade
  • Cost-effective alternative using Dante feeds and Loop Back software
• SQ Mixer Firmware Update (v1.6.0.0):
  • Matrix mixes can now be split (six mono matrices instead of three stereo)
  • Both USB ports can record simultaneously
  • Enhanced app control capabilities
  • MAC compatibility for firmware updates

Easter Tech Hot Takes [39:41]

• Matt's advice: "Don't be one of the churches that completely changes your DNA for the people that are going to come twice a year... you don't want them to be shocked by the difference between what you did for Easter and what you do the next weekend."
• Jake's warning: "Easter's not the time to try new tech!"
• Recommendation to plan major tech upgrades months in advance, not weeks before major services
• Jake: "If you are having to expend all of your creative brain power to put together a tech system that you didn't take the time to learn, test and use, and then your whole week is just consumed with stress... you quite frankly deserve that stress because you did not take the time to be responsible in planning."
• Matt's reminder: "Your job at that moment is to minister. Even if you're on sound, even if you're on video, your job is to minister, not worry about tech."

Church Front Services Update [45:19]

• Church Front Premium:
  • Training and personalized advice through group coaching
  • Consultation on upcoming AV projects
  • Equipment recommendations with Spencer, their lead design engineer
  • Access to all Church Front courses
• Church Front Pro (formerly Church Front Accelerator):
  • Comprehensive consulting, design, and AV integration
  • On-site surveys and assessments, including Matterport scans
  • Professional system design using Vectorworks
  • Assembly, installation, commissioning, training, and support

Equipment Mentioned

• Shure SM7B microphones
• Yamaha DM3 mixer
• CRM 300 and 500 cameras
• ECAMM live streaming solution
• Avantis audio console
• Universal Audio Apollo headphone amp
• Allen & Heath SQ mixer (firmware v1.6.0.0)
• Prime Acoustic panels

Action Steps

1. Check for firmware updates on your existing equipment
2. Evaluate your volunteer relationships and communication strategies
3. Plan any Easter tech upgrades well in advance
4. Focus on ministry, not just technical excellence, during high-attendance services
5. Visit churchfront.com to explore their Premium and Pro services

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