Join us for a beautiful conversation with the founders of The Art of Growth Podcast, Enneagram Coaches, Jim Zartman and Joel Hubbard, as we talk about the success of their podcast, the courage it took for them to leave the ministry for a new path, and the biggest misconceptions people have about the Enneagram.  For more Information about Jim and Joel's work, podcast, and certification program go to theartofgrowth.org