My keynote presentation at the Imagine If conference in Nashville focused on how i think about scaling freedom tech.

Date: September 20, 2025

OpenSats: https://opensats.org
Ten31: https://ten31.xyz
Imagine If: https://bitcoinpark.com/imagineif

(01:02) ODELL takes the stage

(01:23) Diagnosing the problem

(02:35) Ad driven surveillance and addictive platforms

(03:04) Open source and open protocols

(03:49) Scaling open source: incentives and funding

(04:26) OpenSats and Bitcoin powered grants

(05:25) Email, an open protocol, and Gmails predatory model

(06:42) Make freedom profitable: align incentives

(06:54) Ten31 thesis: sustainable, user-aligned businesses

(07:28) Case study: Start9 and self-hosted services

(08:16) Case study: Maples private AI and open API

(08:51) Case study: Primal on Nostr and Bitcoin

(09:37) Case study: Strike and low switching costs

(10:25) Closing call to action: profit drives scalability

Video:  https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs8g25llcvddu2cacsglckxks2afya2c27pt6g3qf3rh5rma3eachsg5mu8s

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A conversation with Adam Back at Bitcoin Park's Custody and Treasury Summit in Nashville, TN. We discuss the current state of bitcoin custody and how it applies to individuals, small businesses, and public companies.

Date: September 18, 2025

Adam on Nostr: https://primal.net/adamback
Adam on X: https://x.com/adam3us
Bitcoin Park on Nostr: https://primal.net/park
Bitcoin Park: https://bitcoinpark.com/

(00:00) Teaser

(01:07) Not your keys, not your coins

(01:49) Why self custody matters: seizure and asset protection

(03:06) Early Bitcoin legal fears and Obama’s Swiss bank quote

(03:54) Individuals adopt self custody; shift to business treasuries

(04:22) Custody advice for small businesses and dentists

(05:34) Multisig basics, redundancy, and vendor diversity

(06:45) Single sig vs multi sig usability and learning curve

(07:32) Practical setups: single sig cold storage and backups

(08:24) Keeping multiple backups

(09:06) Fireproof steel backups and moving to treasury topics

(09:30) Public companies using custodians: risks and drivers

(10:48) Collaborative custody among custodians and decaying multisig

(12:10) Balancing third party risk vs operational self custody risk

(12:43) Finality, time locks, and covenant based safety nets

(13:59) Why multisig is essential for large organizations

(14:56) Industry pushback and the case for proof of reserves

(16:20) Adoption of proof of reserves and hybrid treasury strategies

(16:51) Closing and audience Q&A intro

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsxtltftjfavnlg8ysjvnn9504l40ykq8hdw25pcmaljwdx0xp9wyswev5e3 

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Miljan is the Founder and CEO of Primal. Bitcoin is an open protocol for money, nostr is an open protocol for speech, Primal brings the power of both into an easy to use interface for everyone.

Search Primal in your favorite app store!

Miljan on Nostr: https://primal.net/miljan

EPISODE: 180
BLOCK: 917284
PRICE: 842 sats per dollar

(00:00) Ten31 retreat

(01:02) Retreat impressions and collaboration

(01:32) How many bitcoiners

(03:01) Estimating self custody users and real audience sizes

(05:09) Stalled growth and focusing Primal on Bitcoiners

(06:07) Curated "Getting Started" invite packs

(09:14) Solving empty feeds: recommendations vs. decentralization

(12:02) Improving follow discovery

(14:53) Retention over onboarding: first-touch UX matters

(16:11) Empowering users with tools, not surveillance models

(18:08) Aligning incentives: Primal’s user-paid model

(19:42) Live streaming on Nostr: open spec meets clean UI

(22:20) Not competing with TikTok: high-signal over dopamine

(25:06) Platform risk for streamers and Nostr’s modular freedom

(28:05) Unified chat, zaps, and the magic of interoperable apps

(29:25) Nostr’s organic growth

(31:06) Creators’ final destination

(34:50) AI in social: open models, features, and roadmap thoughts

(41:05) Deepfakes, authenticity, and signed content value

(46:02) Keys, key-rotation, and building resilient identity tools

(49:28) Practical key management: tradeoffs from phone to multisig

(53:12) Closing thoughts

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Seth is VP of Cake Wallet, a self custody bitcoin wallet available on ios, android, and desktop. We discuss their new offline companion app, Cupcake, and variety of other privacy related topics.

Seth on Nostr: https://primal.net/sethforprivacy
Seth on X: https://x.com/sethforprivacy
Cake Wallet: https://cakewallet.com/

EPISODE: 179
BLOCK: 916494
PRICE: 909 sats per dollar

(00:00:01) UK Digital ID Dystopia

(00:01:02) Happy Bitcoin Friday

(00:03:01) Samourai arrests fallout and Ashigaru vs Wasabi vs JoinMarket

(00:06:49) Coordinator trust, liquidity, and taint/frozen funds

(00:12:10) Cake Wallet updates and unveiling Cupcake signer

(00:15:36) How Cupcake works: air-gapped signer, BCUR/BBQR, threat models

(00:19:01) Travel, opsec, and device choices for Cupcake

(00:21:30) Cupcake’s scope vs hardware wallets

(00:25:21) Multisig discussions, open standards, and future features

(00:29:43) Single sig and practical custody advice

(00:30:29) Recent Monero Attack

(00:36:21) ASIC resistance debate and Monero reorg analysis

(00:41:02) Wild idea: switch Monero to Litecoin’s Scrypt ASICs

(00:43:19) Lightning in Cake Wallet: evaluating Ark vs Spark

(00:49:37) Spark’s pragmatism, privacy concerns, and operators

(00:56:40) Strike/Primal, Cashu, and custodial vs self-custodial tradeoffs

(00:58:56) Hands-on with Spark in Wallet of Satoshi beta

(01:05:02) Bitcoin privacy outlook: Silent Payments, PayJoin, Lightning

(01:06:14) Silent Payments UX: Frigate server model and performance

(01:09:17) Run your own node for privacy and practical setups

(01:09:51) Closing reflections: builders vs discourse, optimism

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsqmytsgrtq3s8zeqt6cgfsw4vlemyfrz5z02ylhkp7tm08ztuc2ysryw55x

more info on the show: https://citadeldispatch.com
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A conversation with Shawn Yeager and Derek Ross at the Imagine If conference in Nashville, TN. We discuss the current state of digital communications and identity with a specific focus on nostr.

Date: September 20, 2025

Shawn on Nostr: https://primal.net/shawn
Derek on Nostr: https://primal.net/derekross
Bitcoin Park on Nostr: https://primal.net/park
Imagine If: https://bitcoinpark.com/imagineif

(00:40) Future of digital comms, identity, social

(01:41) Diagnosing the problems: incentives, KYC, and broken trust

(03:05) Censorship, shadow bans, and owning your social graph

(05:00) AI, deepfakes, and can we trust what we see?

(07:24) Algorithmic control vs user choice

(10:10) Introducing Nostr: open protocol, healthier engagement

(11:54) Digital health, doomscrolling, and parenting challenges

(15:21) Youth safety on open protocols: responsibilities and tools

(18:22) Give parents the tools: OS-level controls and UX

(19:35) Getting started with Nostr: keys, Primal, and UX spectrum

(21:17) Vibe-coding apps: Soapbox/Shakespeare on Nostr + Bitcoin

(22:39) Permissionless payments and AI-built sites

Video:  https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs0v7rgjh55wygwuc8pmqvk0qz6qts30uaut2c8lp4dgh9usw2cdpgnznwd9

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Justin and Brad are contributors to the Fedimint open source project. Fedimint is an open protocol providing easy to use, private, programmable, and offline bitcoin payments using bitcoin powered federated chaumian ecash.

Justin on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqspg8fq209jj56663d2n6r9ehkyjffy7rkqqejfdwvtwzva426avkqxtxxuv
Fedimint Website: https://fedimint.org/
Fedimint on X: https://x.com/fedimint
The E-Cash App: https://ecash.love/
Fedimint Observer: https://observer.fedimint.org/
Bitcoin Mints: https://bitcoinmints.com/
Harbor Desktop App: https://harbor.cash/
Iroh: https://www.iroh.computer/

EPISODE: 178
BLOCK: 914982
PRICE: 863 sats per dollar

(00:03:11) Happy Bitcoin Tuesday

(00:04:13) Fedimint and Cashu

(00:10:49) Fedimint's On-Chain and Lightning Integration

(00:18:46) Challenges and Solutions in Fedimint's Development

(00:39:08) Fedimint Operator Setup and Challenges

(00:51:00) Backup and Recovery in Fedimint

(01:02:02) Future Developments and Community Engagement

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsvswtcudcf2j55ac4yrphsm37ep9acp27ctap9dt8zvy6p5wzywgcrax3wu

more info on the show: https://citadeldispatch.com
learn more about me: https://odell.xyz

Mark Suman is CoFounder of OpenSecret and Maple. OpenSecret is a platform for building private and secure apps and Maple is an AI tool built using OpenSecret. Maple offers users and developers an easy way to interact with popular open source AI models.

Marks on Nostr: https://primal.net/marks
Marks on X: https://x.com/marks_ftw
Maple on Nostr: https://primal.net/mapleai
Maple on X: https://x.com/TryMapleAI
Maple: https://trymaple.ai/
OpenSecret: https://opensecret.cloud/

EPISODE: 177
BLOCK: 913963
PRICE: 898 sats per dollar

(00:01:38) Happy Bitcoin Tuesday

(00:03:05) Marks and Maple AI

(00:07:10) Apple's AI Strategy and Product Unveiling

(00:11:40) Privacy and Security in AI with Maple

(00:19:59) Open Source AI Models and Industry Trends

(00:27:02) Freedom of Thought and AI's Influence

(00:39:00) User Experience and Privacy in Maple AI

(00:48:50) AI and Parenting

(01:02:41) Maple AI Developer API and Proxy Feature

(01:16:00) Open Secret and Maple AI: Company Overview

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsx7ypznejxgujpqdwnch5w6pzeh03pn9fvr5guqpry930e7w3yqycllz5km

more info on the show: https://citadeldispatch.com
learn more about me: https://odell.xyz

Egge is a key contributor of the cashu protocol, focused on private, cheap, offline, and programmable bitcoin wallets. We dive deep on cashu, nostr, and the broader bitcoin ecosystem.

Egge on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsdmup6e2z6mcpeue6z6kl08he49hcen5xnrc3tnpvw0mdgtjemh0suxa0kj
npub.cash: https://npub.cash/
cashu.me: https://cashu.me
cashu.space: https://cashu.space/

EPISODE: 176
BLOCK: 913322
PRICE: 899 sats per dollar

(00:01:18) Happy Bitcoin Friday

(00:03:19) Nostr Live Streaming and Open Protocols

(00:04:41) Egge: Creator of npub.cash

(00:05:53) Understanding npub.cash and Lightning Addresses

(00:09:15) The Evolution of npub.cash

(00:14:07) Challenges with Redeeming Zaps

(00:18:50) Future Improvements in Cashu Protocol

(00:22:23) Cashu Ecosystem and Development

(00:27:00) Mint Discovery and User Experience

(00:36:00) Public Infrastructure and Vibe Coding

(00:43:06) The Future of Mint Operations

(00:51:00) Risks and Responsibilities of Running Mints

(00:57:54) Improving Mint Discovery and Recommendations

(01:06:19) User Experience Challenges in Cashu

(01:13:08) Implementing Cashu

(01:17:11) Point of Sale Systems with Cashu

(01:24:03) Bolt 12 and Future Payment Protocols

(01:30:57) The Potential of Cashu and Nostr

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsx7ypznejxgujpqdwnch5w6pzeh03pn9fvr5guqpry930e7w3yqycllz5km

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Nick and Lloyd are the founders of Frostsnap. A novel hardware and software project that uses FROST to create easy to use, fault tolerant, and secure self custody bitcoin multisig wallets.

Nick on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsfrkatna3xvr54ykzgp5hjelmdeld4z0eg4p06f764a6vn5k6xszgthr8m6
Nick on X: https://x.com/utxoclub
Lloyd on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsrtnjl8xtejc4k7h38gz6akjv0v75vrsdhlznu0slr2n3tatf8w3qjmn8ve
Lloyd on X: https://x.com/LLFOURN
Frostsnap Website: https://frostsnap.com/
Frostsnap Repo: https://github.com/frostsnap/frostsnap/
Frostsnap on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsy3hc9jy28npuqzmc908td6cmx6dtaf36llel2adch6kynwksywecl78fv9
Frostsnap on X: https://x.com/FrostsnapTech

EPISODE: 175
BLOCK: 912302
PRICE: 928 sats per dollar

(00:00:02) Jack Mallers on Bloomberg

(00:02:31) Happy Bitcoin Friday

(00:04:01) Introducing Frostsnap

(00:06:01) Design Choices for Frostsnap

(00:08:01) Challenges in Multisig and Self Custody

(00:16:02) Frost Protocol Benefits

(00:26:01) Backup and Recovery Process

(00:38:10) Security Considerations and Device Features

(00:50:57) Purchasing and Preorder Details

(01:00:29) Future of Frost and Self Custody

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqs8mmlwrpsncun4uepuhkh4ku2vyc9tlmjuv3f3v9ryq50ehlta7rq02cnfq

more info on the show: https://citadeldispatch.com
learn more about me: https://odell.xyz

Alex Gleason was one of the main architects behind Donald Trump's Truth Social. Now he focuses on the intersection of nostr, ai, and bitcoin. We explore his latest tool, Shakespeare, which enables anyone to easily vibe code an app in their browser. I vibe my first app live on air.

Alex on Nostr: https://primal.net/p/nprofile1qqsqgc0uhmxycvm5gwvn944c7yfxnnxm0nyh8tt62zhrvtd3xkj8fhggpt7fy
Shakespeare: https://shakespeare.diy/
Soapbox Tools: https://soapbox.pub/tools

The app I vibed live: https://followstream-3slf.shakespeare.to/

EPISODE: 174
BLOCK: 910195
PRICE: 853 sats per dollar

(00:00:01) Treasury Secretary Bessent Intro

(00:01:29) Happy Bitcoin Friday

(00:05:12) AI and Freedom Online

(00:07:04) Shakespeare: Vibe Coding Made Simple

(00:08:03) Concerns About Big AI

(00:15:05) Self Hosting AI and Technical Challenges

(00:22:24) Energy and AI Development

(00:28:14) Building Personalized Experiences with AI

(00:38:02) Nostr's Future and Mainstream Adoption

(00:45:02) Decentralized Hosting and Shakespeare's Future

(00:54:01) Collaborative Development with Nostr Git

(01:02:24) Open Source Renaissance and Future Prospects

Video: https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqstzds6pmkpaser62kme8dk74r4ea4ae3hv9fr2wur0kpc3yyws96gx2pa59

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learn more about me: https://odell.xyz