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Why is it so hard to let go of a ministry you love before something forces the decision? 

Robin Fuller knows firsthand. After more than 23 years in pregnancy center ministry, she burned out and heard that only about 10 percent of ministry leaders finish well.

She decided to be part of that 10 percent. Robin lifted the mantle off her shoulders in front of her board and walked through a four-year succession plan that started with a simple "Things I Do" document.

Matt and Robin talk about why founders struggle most, how a poverty mindset keeps leaders in the seat too long, and why outgoing leaders need to step away for at least six months. Robin also shares her new book, Finish Well: Succession Planning for the Ministry You Love.

1. Succession starts long before you leave. Robin spent four years working with her board so the ministry could continue without a blip.

2. Write down what you actually do. A simple "Things I Do" list shows what to release, what to delegate, and what the next leader will need.

3. Know what will be missing when you are gone. Robin knew finances were not her gift, so she looked for a successor who was strong where she was not.

4. Pay and plan for your people. Fair pay and retirement planning keep leaders from staying too long just because they cannot afford to leave.

5. Give your successor room. Robin now encourages every outgoing leader to stay away for at least six months and to hand pride back to the Lord.

00:00 - Why Letting Go Is So Hard

Robin's story, burnout, and why only about 10 percent of ministry leaders finish well.

06:58 - The "Things I Do" Document

The simple list that showed Robin what to release and how to restructure her role.

12:10 - Why Leaders Stay Too Long

Founders, the poverty mindset, and building a healthy compensation philosophy.

20:19 - Stepping Away Well

The six-month rule, keeping staff through the handoff, and wrestling with pride.

27:30 - Finish Well: The Book

Twelve practical steps for ministry leaders and boards, plus Robin's masterminds.

If you are navigating a ministry transition, visit Ministry Transitions to explore resources or start a confidential conversation.

Get Robin Fuller's book Finish Well: Succession Planning for the Ministry You Love and learn about her coaching and succession planning mastermind groups at robinfuller.coach. The book is also available on Amazon.

Connect with Robin on Facebook and LinkedIn.

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This life contains many walks from Cana to Capernaum. Journeys between prayer offered and prayer answered. Jesus promised the boy’s father a sure blessing at the end of the journey. He promises the same to us.

We will meet this father when we get to heaven, and when we do I’m gonna ask him about that walk. I want to hear how he felt. I want to know what he thought. But most of all, I want to thank him for inspiring this verse: “The man took Jesus at his word and departed” (John 4:50 NIV).

Do likewise. Set your compass on the pole star of God’s promise. Place one weary foot in front of the other. Jesus has spoken. Let his word do what it was intended to do, and that is lead you home. Remember my friend, you are never alone.

Read more You Are Never Alone: Trust in the Miracle of God's Presence & Power

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What does it look like to build a life that God can multiply through generations?

In this episode of Leader-to-Leader: The Multiplication Factor, Lindy Black, Senior Advisor to the U.S. leadership team with The Navigators, shares how a lifelong commitment to prayer, Scripture, Sabbath, and relational discipleship shaped her leadership—and produced fruit far beyond what she could have imagined.

From discovering as a college student that God could use her to reach others, to investing in men and women who would become disciple-makers around the world, Lindy reflects on a foundational truth: God is the multiplier.

Lindy explores the importance of creating intentional space to hear from God and describes discipleship as intentional, relational, and generational—helping people know Christ, make Him known, and equip others to do the same.

In this episode:

Creating space for God through prayer, Scripture, rest, and reflection

Trusting God to multiply what begins small

Investing deeply in people rather than simply building programs

Developing disciples who become disciple-makers

Living out the gospel in everyday relationships—at work, in neighborhoods, schools, and communities

Raising up the next generation of Kingdom laborers

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What does it look like to build a life that God can multiply through generations?

In this episode of Leader-to-Leader: The Multiplication Factor, Lindy Black, Senior Advisor to the U.S. leadership team with The Navigators, shares how a lifelong commitment to prayer, Scripture, Sabbath, and relational discipleship shaped her leadership—and produced fruit far beyond what she could have imagined.

From discovering as a college student that God could use her to reach others, to investing in men and women who would become disciple-makers around the world, Lindy reflects on a foundational truth: God is the multiplier.

Lindy explores the importance of creating intentional space to hear from God and describes discipleship as intentional, relational, and generational—helping people know Christ, make Him known, and equip others to do the same.

In this episode:

• Creating space for God through prayer, Scripture, rest, and reflection

• Trusting God to multiply what begins small

• Investing deeply in people rather than simply building programs

• Developing disciples who become disciple-makers

• Living out the gospel in everyday relationships—at work, in neighborhoods, schools, and communities

• Raising up the next generation of Kingdom laborers

Scriptures referenced:
Isaiah 60:21–22 • Matthew 9:37–38 • 2 Timothy 2:2

Explore the principles:
The Navigators — Life-to-Life® Discipleship
Christian Leadership Alliance — Principles of Multiplication
Christian Leadership Alliance — The Multiplication Factor

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In the semifinals of his high school wrestling tournament, Dave cracked a rib on his right side. He won the match but wondered how he’d survive the championship with a damaged ribcage. In the finals, Dave limped out to the mat on his left, uninjured leg.

Traders Point Christian Church's staff culture was once, in Greg Anderson's own words, "barely healthy." Since then, they've built a healthy, flourishing workplace culture — and the church itself has become one of the fastest-growing in the country.

Executive Pastor Greg Anderson makes the case that those two facts are directly connected. He traces the turning point back to the humbling season after COVID, when an Employee Engagement Survey revealed a real disconnect: leadership thought the church's direction was clear, but staff didn't share that clarity. Greg discusses what his team changed in response, work that moved Traders Point into Best Christian Workplaces' flourishing range and earned it recognition as a Certified Best Christian Workplace. For any leader hoping to grow without it costing the staff who carry the mission, this conversation is worth the listen.

You'll Gain Insight On:

• What a post-COVID survey revealed about the gap between leadership's clarity and staff's clarity
• Why a flourishing culture is what makes fast growth sustainable rather than destructive
• What it looks like to move a staff culture from barely healthy toward flourishing
• What leaders should protect first when growth accelerates

You'll Gain Insight On:

• What a post-COVID survey revealed about the gap between leadership's clarity and staff's clarity
• How defining specific behaviors, not just values, shapes hiring, training, and accountability
• Why a flourishing culture is what makes fast growth sustainable rather than destructive
• What leaders should protect first when growth accelerates

Subscribe to Called to Flourish and share this conversation with a fellow leader. Access full show notes, resources, and transcript at: https://workplaces.org/podcast/how-traders-point-became-one-of-americas-fastest-growing-churches

Are painful memories keeping you from enjoying your life today? Maybe you avoid a particular place or person because of an experience you can’t seem to let go of.

In this episode of Office Hours, I explore how memory works, why our recollections are less reliable than we think, and how the past shapes the future we imagine. As always, I share practical steps to help you find more happiness, meaning, and gratitude as you move forward.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Intro

(09:21) The science of human memory

(19:09) Why memories are unreliable

(23:09) Why memories shift 

(30:03) #1. To reconstruct your past: Keep a database of positive

Staying quiet to keep the peace only gives resentment room to grow. 

In this episode, head coach John Felkins takes a call from a business owner who’s ready to grow beyond his brother and business partner. John explains how to address the real problem, get clear on what needs to change, and move forward without unnecessarily destroying the family relationship.

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