In this episode of The WiLD Conversation Podcast, Dr. Rob McKenna sits down with Jeff Schiefelbein, managing partner of Undivided Life, for a courageous conversation about what it truly means to live and lead without fragmentation. Together they unpack why so many leaders feel divided between who they are and who they think they must be to succeed—and what it costs them, their families, and their organizations.

Jeff shares candid stories about integrating faith, family, and vocation, including the moment an ordinary phone call about his miniature donkeys awakened a colleague to the weight of her own divided life. From fears of looking weak, to cultural narratives that glorify “my truth,” to workplaces that unintentionally reward pretending—this conversation goes straight to the heart of the human condition.

Rob and Jeff explore why leaders long for wholeness but struggle to live it, why calling is always communal, and why transformation cannot happen in isolation. They challenge the myth of the “self-made” leader and offer a compelling vision for integrated, human-centered leadership—leadership formed through real relationships, honest self-awareness, and shared development across the people we actually do life with.

Most leaders know instantly that “wholeness” is right, but fear looking weak, uncommitted, or different. Fear—not lack of desire—is the real barrier.

When leaders fake strengths, mute their values, or hide their commitments at home, they advance under false pretenses—and eventually feel trapped by the very role they earned.

Jeff: “Everywhere I go, the more I show up as me—not who the moment wants me to be—the more people thank me for it.”

Contrary to the “live your truth” narrative, calling unfolds with the people who share our lives. The myth of the isolated, self-directed leader is both naïve and harmful.

Breakthrough performance happens when organizations unlock individual potential with coaching, trust, and relational development—not just metrics or quarterly targets.

Faith, family, self-awareness, and leadership aren’t separate lanes. Integrated leaders take wiser risks, steward energy better, and create environments where others can thrive.

Tired of waiting for breakthrough?  Today on BOLD STEPS, Mark Jobe addresses the gap between planting and harvest.  Find out why perseverance matters and how God uses the waiting time to strengthen our faith.  Don’t give up during the lag—your harvest is coming. Listen to Bold Steps with Mark Jobe.

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In this episode of Generations at Work, hosts Susan Davis & Dr. Tim Elmore are joined by leadership expert Jeff Hancher to explore the crucial role of feedback in multi-generational workplaces. The conversation delves into the nuances of delivering effective feedback across generational lines, highlighting differences in how Boomers, Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z perceive and respond to feedback. Jeff Hancher shares insights from his book, Firm Feedback in a Fragile World, emphasizing the importance of building trust, understanding expectations, and customizing feedback approaches for individual team members. The episode is filled with actionable tips for leaders looking to foster a culture of meaningful feedback, strengthen team relationships, and create environments where all generations can thrive. If you're eager to improve feedback dynamics across all ages in your organization, this is an episode you won't want to miss! 

Discover the 5 most impactful questions to ask in your one-on-ones with Jeff Hancher's free leadership resource, the Leader's Conversation Guide: https://www.jeffhancher.com/post/leader-s-conversation-guide-elevate-your-leadership-through-impactful-conversations/?el=g@w_libsyn_23 

Francis Chan sits down with theologian and apologist Gavin Ortlund (truthunites.org) for a vulnerable, wide-ranging conversation about communion, church unity, and what it means to love other Christians in a fractured age. Francis shares his own journey wrestling with the Eucharist, reading the church fathers, engaging Roman Catholic and Orthodox perspectives, and discovering the “real presence” within a Protestant framework. Gavin explains why he remains gratefully Protestant and how he understands the richness of the Lord’s Supper and church history.

Together, they talk honestly about the harsh tone of much online “discernment” content, the temptation to chase clicks by attacking other believers, and the deep grief they both feel over division in the body of Christ. Francis opens up about this new season of life and ministry, sensing a renewed childlike faith, a burden to guard and walk with younger leaders, and a longing to see gospel-centered unity rooted in truth and shaped by the love of God.

If you’ve ever wrestled with questions about the Lord’s Supper, Protestant vs. Catholic/Orthodox claims, or how to contend for truth without losing love, this conversation will both challenge and encourage you to fix your eyes on Jesus and pursue a unity that flows from the gospel itself.

Every believer carries a God-given purpose, but running from that call brings avoidable stress and unintended consequences. Yet even in our disobedience, God is already preparing the way back. This episode dives into that tension between running and returning and the hope God offers every step of the way.

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In this prophetic and hope-filled episode, Pastor Sam opens Psalm 103:3–5 and reveals the power of the “Holy He” who defines your next season. These three verses capture the Gospel in a nutshell: He forgives all your sins, He heals all your diseases, He redeems your life from the pit, He crowns you with love and tender mercy, and He fills your life with good things.

Drawing from Acts 10:43, Ephesians 1:7, Colossians 1:13, Romans 8:1, 1 Peter 2:24, Psalm 84:11, Isaiah 40:31, and Jeremiah 29:11, Pastor Sam declares that if your past is forgiven, then your healing, your clarity, your strength, and your breakthrough are next. This message calls you to step into a new season—not just a new year—with renewed identity, restored joy, and the soaring strength of the eagle.

Get ready to rise above the storm, walk in God’s full redemption, and see good things come your way as you enter the season He prepared for you.

Linda Mintle, the relationship doctor, helps us look at the holidays and many of the relations wounds we may have.  How do you bring about healing in your relationships with family and friends?  Vaneetha Risner helps us see that times of weakness and failure can be, be, by God's grace, wonderful, growing gifts for you!  

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Sometimes we can drift so far from God that it feels like He’s left us altogether. But Dr. Tony Evans explains that even when we’ve lost our strength, our sight, or our way, it’s never too late to turn back to the Lord. This powerful lesson from the life of Samson reminds us that God’s mercy is always within reach.

Have you ever wondered why certain lies still have power in your life? In this episode, Christine Caine unpacks the first three questions ever asked in Scripture, and how your answers to them will shape your identity, purpose, and destiny. You’ll discover how to silence the lies of the Enemy, come out of hiding, and stand confidently in who God created you to be.

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● The three foundational questions that determine your spiritual direction

● How to identify the lies shaping your identity

● How to align your life with what God has actually said about you

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Christine Caine is a speaker, activist, and bestselling author who awakens people everywhere to discover their God-given purpose and live transformed lives for Jesus. Alongside her husband, Nick, she founded A21, a global anti-human trafficking organization that prevents exploitation, recovers victims, and empowers survivors. She also launched Propel Women, an initiative equipping women worldwide to follow Jesus wholeheartedly and live confidently in their calling. Through Equip & Empower, Christine activates people everywhere to live on mission for Jesus.

Christine is the author of more than a dozen books and Bible studies, and she holds a Master’s Degree in Evangelism and Leadership from Wheaton College. For over 30 years, she and Nick have faithfully served the global Church. You can tune into her weekly Equip & Empower and Life & Leadership podcasts for practical insights and encouragement, always pointing to the hope found in Jesus. Christine and Nick live with their daughters, Catherine and Sophia. To learn more about Christine and her resources, visit http://www.christinecaine.com.