What happens when you grow up in a system that teaches you how to succeed but never how to fail?
In this episode of Clean Your Toilet Podcast, professional clown Shanice Stanislaus, joins Brenda Ng, Chief Fun(d) Officer, The Facilitators Project & Forest School coach, for a surprisingly profound conversation about mistakes, play, fear, and the parts of ourselves we learn to hide just to survive.
Raised in a conservative, achievement-driven environment, Shanice grew up believing that being good meant being correct, polished, and mistake-free. Creativity was a hobby. Failure wasn’t an option.
Everything changed when she stumbled into a clown class; what she expected to be humiliating became transformative.
Through play, failure, and being laughed at, Shanice discovered something she had never been taught: how to be bad without being broken. How to make mistakes without losing one's worth. How to find freedom by embracing uncertainty.
Today, Shanice works as a theatrical clown across schools, corporations, prisons, hospitals, and international stages not to “bring joy,” but to help people rediscover the resource of joy already within them. Her work sits at the intersection of art, inner work, and cultural resistance, especially in a society where efficiency, productivity, and perfection are often prized above emotional truth.
Together, Shanice and Brenda explore the quieter, rarely spoken parts of this journey:
✨ Why many of us were never taught how to fail safely
✨ How fear of mistakes hardens into fear of being seen
✨ The emotional cost of wearing masks to appear “functional”
✨ What play teaches us about resilience, creativity, and self-trust
✨ Why joy is something you rediscover & reclaim for yourself
This episode belongs deeply to Season 8: Stories We Don’t Tell, because Shanice’s story isn’t really about clowning; it’s about the unseen damage of perfectionism, and the courage it takes to unlearn it.
If you’ve ever been terrified of getting it wrong or felt trapped by expectations, and wondered who you might possibly be otherwise, this conversation will open doors and your mind.
This conversation might open a door you didn’t know was closed.
🧼 Mistakes don’t mean you’re failing, they mean you’re alive.
🚽 Play is not the opposite of seriousness, it’s how we heal from it.
💛 And sometimes, the story we don’t tell is how afraid we are to be imperfect.
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🚽 Welcome to the Clean Your Toilet Podcast - yes, that’s the actual name, and no, it’s not about porcelain (only). Let’s be real: we’ve all got things we avoid. This podcast is where we talk about the messes we pretend aren’t there — physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually. Because spoiler alert: just like a neglected toilet, what you ignore doesn’t vanish, it festers.
Each season brings one speaker & multiple hosts together. Each from different walks of life with different expertise, meeting for the first time; for real, unscripted conversations about life. Filmed in a single sitting, we concentrate the essence of candor and spontaneity of live conversation.
We explore the habits, patterns, and inner gunk that quietly shape your outer life. We’re here for the uncomfortable truths, oddly satisfying metaphors, and yes, those sacred bathroom moments that somehow lead to spiritual insight and emotional release.
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