Nikolai DiPippa, Clinton School Director of Public Programs, sat down with Joby Warrick, Pulitzer Prize winning reporter. In his Pulitzer Prize winning book “Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS”, he traces how the strain of muslims behind ISIS first arose in a remote Jordanian prison, and spread with the unwilling aid of two American Presidents. Drawing on unique, high-level access to CIA and Jordanian sources, he weaves moment by moment operational details, perspectives of diplomats and spies, generals and heads of state, many of whom foresaw a menace worse than Al-Qaeda, and tried desperately to stop it.