Are overprivileged AI agents the biggest emerging threat in cybersecurity? In a recent high-profile attack, a vibe-coding company had its entire source code stolen because an attacker exploited a long-lived, overprivileged token tied to a third-party AI agent.

In this episode, Ashish sits down with Ely Kahn, CPO at Okta, to unpack the challenge of managing Non-Human Identities (NHI) in the AI era. Ely explains why traditional, static human permissions completely break down when applied to autonomous agents. To solve this, Okta has spearheaded Cross-App Access (XAA), an extension of OAuth that uses an Identity Assertion Grant (ID JAG). This open protocol, backed by 25+ partners, including Anthropic, XAA securely passes the baton between apps without annoying consent pop-ups or dangerous static API keys.

We also explore the four maturity levels of agent authorization, ranging from broad API keys to the ultimate "North Star" of intent-based security. Learn the difference between SPIFFE (for internal cryptographic identity) and XAA (for downstream resource authorization), how the Linux Foundation is building an Agent Domain System, and why every CISO needs an immediate "kill switch" for rogue AI agents.

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(00:00) Introduction(02:50) Ely Kahn's Background: From DHS to Okta CPO(04:00) Why AI Agent Identity is Different from Human IAM(06:30) The Danger of Overprivileged Tokens: A Source Code Breach Case Study(08:30) Introducing Cross-App Access (XAA) and ID JAG(11:00) Agent Identities: Acting on Behalf of a User vs. Autonomous Scopes(13:00) SPIFFE vs. XAA: Workload Identity vs. Resource Authorization(14:30) The Linux Foundation's Agent Domain System for Cross-Company Passports(18:00) Assuming Breach: Why Prompt Injection Makes Identity the Highest ROI Security Action(19:30) The 4 Maturity Levels of AI Agent Authorization(21:00) Intent-Based Security and Zero Standing Privilege(23:00) How to Offboard AI Agents and Manage Identity Governance (IGA)(27:00) The 3 Governance Questions Every CISO Must Answer(28:50) Implementing a Universal Kill Switch for Rogue Agents

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Learn more about how Okta and XAA are setting the new security standard for the AI era

AI isn't necessarily creating impossible new attacks, but it is drastically lowering the technical barrier to entry for cybercriminals. In this episode, Ashish Rajan speaks with Simon Biggs, Cyber Incident Response Specialist at Varonis, about how AI is accelerating the attack lifecycle.

Simon explains how attackers are using AI kits to instantly set up ephemeral phishing portals, query SQL databases in minutes, and bypass AI guardrails to compile Remote Access Trojans (RATs). We also discuss the shift in ransomware tactics from "encryption-first" to "data-theft-first," and how AI empowers attackers to post-process terabytes of stolen data to monetize it in novel ways.

For defenders, the message is clear: if your S3 access logs and SQL transaction logs aren't turned on before a breach, your forensics team won't be able to tell lawyers or regulators what data was actually lost. Discover why data classification and proactive logging are the ultimate lifelines for IR teams in the AI age.

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(00:00) Introduction(02:00) Simon Biggs' Background in Law Enforcement and Varonis(03:10) Is There a Huge Volume of Sophisticated AI Attacks?(04:10) How AI Accelerates SQL Queries and Business Email Compromise (BEC)(05:15) Why AI Kits Are the New Metasploit and BloodHound(08:15) Varonis Threat Labs: Copilot Prompt Injection Vulnerability(09:20) The Forensic Challenge: Auditing Prompts vs. Understanding AI Output(10:30) Tricking AI Guardrails to Compile Malware(12:15) Defensive Strategies: Shadow AI, Permissions, and Logging(15:30) Using Defensive AI and BloodHound for Threat Hunting(17:30) Why Ransomware is Now "Data First, No Encryption"(20:50) The Legal Nightmare of Unclassified Stolen Data(23:20) Why Windows Forensics Can't Tell You What Data Was Stolen(31:20) The Crucial Importance of Enabling S3 and Cloud Audit Logs(35:10) How AI Allows Attackers to Post-Process Terabytes of Stolen Data

Resources spoken about during the episode:

Simon’s Research at Varonis

Article about SearchLeak

Article about Reprompt

Varonis Threat Labs

Thank you to Varonis for sponsoring this episode of Cloud Security Podcast

Threat hunting has officially evolved into "vibe hunting". However, if your AI security tools lack the right semantic context, they might be doing more harm than good.

In this episode, Ashish sits down with Aqsa Taylor, Chief Security Evangelist at Exaforce, to discuss the rapidly changing landscape of Security Operations Centers. Aqsa explains how her team coined the term "vibe hunting" after autonomously tracking IOCs and exposure windows during the nationwide attack. We also explore the limitations of upstream detections, highlighting complex threats like the HackerBot Claw pull-request manipulation, TeamPCP NPM supply chain attacks, and APTs posing as fake employees on Google Workspace.

If you are navigating the noise of the 54+ new AI SOC startups, Aqsa breaks down the 4 Pillars of an AI SOC (Triage, Detection, Investigation, and Response) and speaks to "Build vs. Buy" debate regarding internal security tooling.

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(00:00) Introduction to AI SOC and Vibe Hunting(02:40) Aqsa Taylor’s Background at Twistlock, SACR, and Exaforce(03:40) The Origin of "Vibe Hunting" and the Iran Striker Attack(09:30) Why AI Hurts Without Context: The HackerBot Claw Attack(12:30) Hunting North Korean Fake Employees on Google Workspace(14:20) SaaS Detections and the TeamPCP NPM Supply Chain Attack(18:40) Navigating the Noise of 54+ AI SOC Startups(20:30) The 4 Pillars of an AI SOC: Triage, Detection, Investigation, Response(28:40) Automating Response: Containing Credential Stuffing Attacks(33:00) The Build vs. Buy Debate for Internal AI SOC Tooling(39:30) Building Confidence in AI with Semantic Knowledge Graphs(44:20) Fun Questions: Content Creation, Family, and Korean BBQ

Resources spoken about during the episode:

The Force Multiplier - Exaforce Substack

Its SOC Easy! Podcast

As enterprises expand across multiple cloud environments, on-premise data centers, and dynamic AI workloads, traditional perimeter defenses and siloed cloud-native tools are no longer enough to secure the modern network. In this episode, Ashish sits down with Murali Rathinasamy, Senior Director of Product at Cisco, to break down the next evolution of network security: the Hybrid Mesh Firewall. Murali explains why relying solely on cloud-native firewalls can create visibility gaps, and how unified policy orchestration allows security teams to manage enforcement points seamlessly. He shares a real-world case study of how Multicloud Defense is used to eliminate manual route table configurations and achieve zero-downtime, blue-green upgrades. The conversation also tackles micro-segmentation. Murali breaks down why segmentation initiatives usually stall in "analysis paralysis" and provides a practical, agentless roadmap to reduce your attack surface "one bite at a time".

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(00:00) Introduction(01:40) Murali Rathinasamy's Background and Role at Cisco(02:30) What is a Hybrid Mesh Firewall?(04:30) Bridging the Skills Gap: NetSec vs. CNAPP/CSPM(06:45) Case Study: Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (RCSI)(09:40) The Limits of Cloud-Native Firewalls in a Multicloud World(13:30) Securing AI Workloads and Managing the Agent Blast Radius(15:40) Why You Need Unified Policy Orchestration Across Firewall Vendors(17:40) Why Micro-segmentation Fails: Overcoming Analysis Paralysis(24:45) How to Implement Micro-segmentation "One Bite at a Time"(31:30) Detecting and Blocking Prompt Injections with Cisco AI Defense(33:30) Where Does the Hybrid Mesh Firewall Fit in the Tech Stack?

Resources spoken about during the interview:

Cisco Hybrid Mesh Firewall

YouTube series on Hybrid Mesh Firewall

Third-Party Risk Management (TPRM) has historically been a tedious, 200-page paper exercise that felt like being catapulted back to 1979. But AI is changing that.

In this episode, Ashish sits down with Igor Andriushchenko (CISO at Lovable) and Jasper Mills (CEO of Ethira) to discuss the collision of TPRM and AI.

We dive into the hidden risks of Shadow AI, exploring the chaos that ensues when non-technical teams spin up unauthorized AI tools without security oversight. Jasper and Igor explain why the future of vendor risk involves treating AI agents like a contracted workforce, managing their lifecycles, and preparing for the 2027 era of "agent-to-agent" negotiations where humans are entirely removed from the loop.

We also cover the impact of DORA (Digital Operational Resilience Act) regulations, the Build vs. Buy debate for AI security tooling, and how to use autonomous agents to finally automate tedious vendor questionnaires.

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(00:00) Introduction(02:00) Jasper and Igor's Backgrounds (Athira and Lovable) (04:00) Why Traditional Third-Party Risk Management is Abysmal (06:20) DORA Regulations and the Collision of AI and Compliance (11:30) Using AI to Automate Vendor Assessments and Questionnaires (16:30) The Build vs. Buy Debate for AI TPRM Tools (22:30) Shadow AI: "Giving a Kindergarten a Nuclear Bomb" (25:30) Using AI Agents for Automated Vendor Discovery and Inventory (28:30) 2027: The Future of Agent-to-Agent Negotiations (30:40) Treating AI Agents Like a Contracted Workforce (34:10) Enforcing Contractual Accountability through AI Guardrails

Is your vulnerability management program ready for something like Claude Mythos? The old days of treating vulnerabilities as temporal events (like Heartbleed or Log4J) and patching them on a leisurely 30, 60, or 90-day cycle are officially over.

In this episode, Ashish sits down with Brad Hibbert, COO and Chief Strategy Officer at Brinqa. Brad explains how the release of Anthropic's Claude Mythos, an AI model capable of discovering vulnerabilities at machine speed without human intervention has compressed the time-to-exploit from months down to mere seconds.

We discuss why the traditional assumption that "sophisticated attacks require sophisticated attackers" is no longer relevant, and why leaning solely on CVSS scores will drown your remediation teams in noise. We speak about how defenders must pivot from generic patching to focusing on true exploitability within their specific environments. Learn how AI can chain multiple "low severity" vulnerabilities (which were previously ignored 90% of the time) to gain root access, and why siloed AI security tools will lead to an expensive and ineffective game of "Whac-A-Mole".

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(00:00) Introduction(02:30) Brad Hibbert's Background and Role at Brinqa(03:40) Heartbleed vs. Claude Mythos: Temporal vs. Persistent Threats(05:30) AI Weaponization: From Months to Seconds(06:50) Elevating the Threat Model Beyond CVSS(09:30) The Tsunami of Vulnerabilities and the Need for Exploitability(12:10) Bridging the Blind Spots in Exposure Management(15:10) Resolving Friction Between Security and Remediation Teams(21:00) Automating Remediation Without Losing Oversight(28:30) The Problem with Treating Every Vulnerability Individually(30:20) Why We Ignored 90% of Low Severity Vulnerabilities(32:30) Siloed AI and the Costly Game of "Whac-A-Mole"(35:30) Defining "Reasonable Security" in the AI Era(41:10) Quick Wins: Where to Start Uplifting Your Program

Resources spoken about during the episode:

Mythos Changes the Offense.

5 Things Every CISO Should Do Before the Next Mythos

Thank you to Brinqa for sponsoring this episode

We are officially entering the "Multi-AI Era." Much like the multi-cloud times, organizations are no longer just using a single AI tool like Microsoft Copilot, they are building custom, agentic workflows using diverse third-party models and MCP servers . In this episode, Ashish sits down with Shawn Hays from Varonis to discuss why the security market has over-pivoted on AISPM (AI Security Posture Management) . Shawn spoke about how having visibility and an inventory of your AI models is a great start, but it fails to secure the enterprise if you lack the guardrails to actually stop an agent from going off the rails and exfiltrating data . Shawn breaks down the components of a robust AI security platform (like Varonis Atlas) and explains why data security is inseparable from AI security. He spoke about why AI agents will blindly "read whatever is on the teleprompter," meaning your AI is only as secure as the data access and identity controls surrounding it . Tune in to learn how to apply Zero Trust across the entire AI chain from the prompter to the cloud infrastructure

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(00:00) Introduction(02:50) Shawn's Background: Microsoft, CMMC, and Varonis (03:50) The Biggest AI Security Challenges (Copilot to Agentic AI) (05:50) Third-Party AI Risk (Jira and Salesforce Agents) (08:40) The Connector Ecosystem Danger (Copilot + Salesforce) (11:50) 8 Distinct Areas of an AI Security Platform (Varonis Atlas) (14:00) Entering the "Multi-AI Era" (Analogies to Multi-Cloud) (16:00) The AI Bill of Materials (Athena AI & Grammarly) (20:50) Why Data Security and AI Security are Intertwined (22:00) Applying Zero Trust to the Entire AI Chain (24:50) The Role of Identity and ITDR in AI Systems (27:00) HIPAA, OCR, and Regulating AI Data Access (31:30) Creating a Governance Plan for Microsoft Copilot (33:50) Securing Pro-Code AI Systems (AWS Bedrock & MCP Servers) (38:30) Why the Security Market is Over-Pivoting on AISPM (44:10) The "Ron Burgundy" Analogy for AI Agents (45:50) Fun Questions: Crocodile & Caramel Tasting (47:20) The Ed Sheeran & Yelawolf Mixtape Connection (48:50) Hobbies & Pride: DJing Weddings and Playing Ice Hockey in Alabama (51:50) Favorite Food: Alabama White Sauce BBQ & Milo's Burgers

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Is your cloud security strategy ready for the "messy middle" of AI adoption? With developers pushing code from inception to production in under three days using "vibe coding," and adversaries capable of exfiltrating data in just 25 minutes, human-led security is no longer fast enough .In this episode, Ashish sits down with Elad Koren from Palo Alto Networks (Cortex Cloud) to discuss the shift toward Agentic Cloud Security. Elad spoke to us about why bolting an AI chatbot onto legacy security tools doesn't work, and why you must run AI directly where your data lies . Elad shared a real-world case study: an organization that rapidly spun up an "internal" AI workload to test the market, only to have a red team discover it was exposed to the public internet with zero authentication .If you want to know how the role of cloud security practitioners will evolve from manual analysts to AI orchestrators within the next five years, listen to this episode.

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(00:00) Introduction(02:50) Who is Elad Koren? (Palo Alto Networks / RSA Security) (04:00) The Explosion of "Vibe Coding" and AI Applications (05:10) How CNAPP is Evolving from Posture to Active Protection (07:20) The New Threat Model: 25-Minute Exfiltration Windows (09:30) What is "Agentic Cloud Security"? (Fighting Machines with Machines) (11:40) The "Messy Middle" and the Evolution of Security Practitioners (14:30) Platformization: Why Security Can No Longer Survive in Silos (16:50) Blurring the Lines Between Cloud and Enterprise Estates (18:20) Case Study: An Unauthenticated "Internal" AI Workload Exposed (20:30) How AI is Shrinking Code-to-Cloud Cycles to 3 Days (22:30) The Coming Crisis: Security Token Budgets vs. Speed (23:30) Fun Questions: Kangaroo Jerky Tasting (25:20) Hobbies & Family: Cycling, Audiobooks, and Fatherhood (26:30) Favorite Food: Thai Cuisine in the Bay Area

Resources spoken about during the episode:

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- Symphony 26

- The Agentic SOC Summit

- Palo Alto Networks Linkedin Page

- Elad's Linkedin

Is your EDR blinding you to insider threats? In this episode, Ashish is joined by Brandon Dixon (Co-Founder & CTO of Ent AI, and former Microsoft Security Copilot leader) to discuss why traditional endpoint security tools are failing in the AI era .

Brandon talks about the reality of modern "Insider Risk." Attackers are no longer relying on malware; they are "living off the land" by using legitimate enterprise software (like Zoom or Microsoft Office) to look like everyday employees . Why EDR tools can see that Zoom is running, but are completely blind to a user granting remote control to an outsider .

We also explore the explosion of Shadow AI, highlighting a real-world HIPAA violation where an HR employee tried to feed patient records into Meta AI via WhatsApp . If your SOC team is drowning in alerts from "dumb control points," this episode talks about how to move from reactive pattern matching (legacy DLP) to proactive behavioral intent modeling at the endpoint

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(00:00) Introduction(02:50) Who is Brandon Dixon? (RiskIQ, Microsoft Copilot, Ent AI) (04:00) Redefining Insider Risk: Malice vs. Mistakes (05:10) "Living Off the Land": Why Adversaries Use Legitimate Tools (06:30) The Zoom Example: Why EDR is Blind to Remote Control Hacks (09:30) The Failure of Security Training against "Click Fix" Attacks (11:50) Case Study: A HIPAA Violation via Meta AI in WhatsApp (13:50) Why Traditional DLP Fails at Semantic Context (16:50) Local AI Usage: Why Workloads Are Returning to the Endpoint (18:50) The Problem with UEBA: Putting Anomalies in Context (22:30) Why You Can't Build This With a Data Lake (26:30) Stopping the "Trophy SOC" and Dumb Alerts (27:40) Fun Questions: Kangaroo Jerky Tasting (28:40) Hobbies & Pride: Ultramarathons and Growing Up in Baltimore (29:20) Favorite Cuisine: Burmese Food (Tea Leaf Salad)

Are AI agents functioning like adversarial malware inside your network? In this episode of the Cloud Security Podcast, Ashish sits down with Jasson Casey, Co-founder and CEO of Beyond Identity, to speak about the security risks introduced by Shadow AI and code assistants .Jasson explains why an AI agent executing a tool is the perfect opportunity for prompt injection or proprietary data exfiltration comparing unchecked agents to Ron Burgundy reading whatever is on the teleprompter . We discuss the "barbell" reaction of CISOs (either blocking AI entirely or blindly accepting the risk) and why placing device-bound identity at the core of your security stack is the only way to safely enable AI speed .From an $80,000 stolen Anthropic key nightmare on Reddit to a red-team exercise that cloned voices using Hugging Face models in just four hours, this episode highlights the tangible threats and solutions of the AI era .

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(00:00) Introduction(02:50) Who is Jasson Casey? (CEO of Beyond Identity) (03:50) The Reality of Shadow AI: Marketers & Devs Moving Fast (05:10) Why AI Agents Execute Like Adversarial Malware (06:20) Prompt Injection Over Time & Agent "Memory" as Persistence (07:40) The CISO "Barbell": Blocking Everything vs. Accepting All Risk (09:30) Applying the NIST Framework to AI Agents (12:00) The Reddit Horror Story: An $80,000 Stolen Claude Key (13:00) Why Device-Bound Identity is the Ultimate AI Control Plane (15:50) The Death of SaaS IT Products (Replaced by Git + Claude Code) (19:30) Fixing Prompt Injection & Exfil via Attributable Identity (20:50) Moving from UI Dashboards to API Data + AI Skills (26:20) Building "Agentic Playbooks" for Security Teams (27:40) Red Teaming: Cloning Voices in 4 Hours via Hugging Face (30:20) Fun Questions: Kangaroo vs. Crocodile Tasting (31:50) Hobbies: Radar Projects & Northern Mexican Cuisine (Dark Mole)

This episode was sponsored by Beyond Identity

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