Cloud Unplugged

Cloud Unplugged

By Jon Shanks, Lewis MarshallBusinessTechnology
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  • Nobody is coming to protect you

    Season 4 of Cloud Unplugged is here, and we are shifting focus to what AI actually means for the people running technology teams inside real businesses.

    This week Jon and Salman get into AI strategy: what it actually is, what it is not, and why most businesses are thinking about it wrong. The CEO of Anthropic is calling for regulation, but global regulation takes years and the attackers are already using AI right now. So what do you actually do in the meantime?

    Jon's take: an AI strategy is not really about AI at all. It is about whether your organisation is in good enough shape to handle something that no longer moves at human pace. They cover why your employees are almost certainly already using AI on your company data whether you have a policy or not, and why writing that policy is largely pointless when you cannot fire an AI agent.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Welcome to Season 4
    • 01:04 Dario Amodei calls for AI regulation. Does it change anything for you?
    • 04:59 Whether you adopt AI or not, others are using it against you
    • 09:41 One exploit. 48 countries. 440 servers. Four hours.
    • 15:13 Do you actually need a Chief AI Officer?
    • 20:03 The three things to assess before you do anything else
    • 27:47 Uber burned their entire 2026 AI budget in April. Zero features shipped.
    • 31:06 The 500 doors problem: why a paper policy will not protect you
    • 34:46 AI strategy is just a name for having your organisation in good order
    39 min
  • The Skills That Will Still Matter When AI Does Everything Else

    Is AI actually coming for your job? Jon and Salman dig into the data.

    150,000 tech jobs have been cut in tech this year alone, and AI is being cited as the number one reason. But is that the full story?

    The bigger question is what skills actually matter now. Jon shares a framework for thinking about where humans still win — and why critical thinking, problem definition and verification are going to matter far more than knowing how to prompt.


    Chapters:

    • 00:00 — Is AI actually coming for your job?
    • 01:26 — The headline numbers: 150,000 tech jobs cut
    • 02:48 — Employment for young people down 20%
    • 04:27 — Jon's counterpoint: was this just COVID overhiring?
    • 09:14 — 40 paralegals replaced by 4 AI agents
    • 13:56 — Stanford's finding: experienced workers show almost no impact
    • 18:37 — PwC: AI skills premium jumped to 62% in 2026
    • 20:03 — AI skills are becoming the new Microsoft Office
    • 26:59 — The soft skills that will actually matter
    • 29:07 — Jon's framework: definition and verification is where humans win
    • 32:18 — Don't specialise in AI. Specialise in the judgment behind it.
    • 34:17 — If all else fails, become an influencer
    36 min
  • OpenAI's AI Hacked Hugging Face. Now Apple Is Suing Them Too.

    Jon and Salman cover three big stories and one very weird one.

    First: an OpenAI agent apparently went off on its own and started hacking Hugging Face's production systems. OpenAI say it was accidental. Jon doesn't believe them, and his theory about why is worth hearing.

    Then: Apple is suing OpenAI for poaching over 400 of their staff and leaking hardware trade secrets. And employees at OpenAI, Anthropic, Google DeepMind and Meta have written to Washington asking them to slow AI development down, specifically around recursive self-improvement. Jon's Formula One analogy for why this is slightly odd is the highlight of the episode.

    Plus: Kimi K3 is out. Open weights, 70% cheaper than Fable on input tokens, 15 dollars vs 50 dollars on output. Salman's been using it. Jon wants to know why everyone isn't. And a topless man climbed on top of a Waymo and ripped it apart. No one stopped him. The car just recorded its own demise.


    ⏱ Chapter Timestamps

    • 00:00 — Intro: three big stories, one weird one
    • 00:32 — OpenAI's agent hacked Hugging Face's production systems
    • 03:15 — Jon's theory: jealous kid, PR stunt, or just incompetent?
    • 04:59 — "Either they're slightly incompetent or it's PR. Neither is a great look."
    • 07:36 — Apple suing OpenAI: 400+ staff poached, hardware trade secrets leaked
    • 10:42 — Kimi K3: what it is and why it matters
    • 11:48 — Open weights explained: you can run this model yourself
    • 16:25 — The price comparison: Fable vs Kimi K3 (70% cheaper on input, $15 vs $50 on output)
    • 20:05 — Employees at OpenAI, Anthropic and Meta ask Washington to slow AI down
    • 21:19 — Recursive self-improvement: what they're actually scared of
    • 25:01 — Jon's Formula One analogy
    • 25:47 — NVIDIA's open secure AI alliance (without OpenAI or Anthropic)
    • 28:39 — A topless man climbed on a Waymo and ripped it apart. The car just watched.
    • 32:09 — Next episode: what AI means for people's jobs and roles
    34 min
  • Shadow AI Is Real. Roll Out AI Safely Before It Bites You.

    Your employees are already using AI on their personal accounts, with your company data. Here's how to get ahead of it.

    Shadow AI is the term for what's already happening inside most businesses: employees quietly using ChatGPT, Claude, or whatever model they prefer on their own accounts, feeding in documents, emails, code and data, completely outside of any company oversight.

    Jon and Salman break down the six pillars you need to have in place before you roll out AI safely.

    39 min
  • Should AI Have Ethics?

    A UN report linked chatbot sycophancy to deaths. So Jon and Salman asked the question: should AI models be ethical?

    Jon and Salman sit with one of the hardest questions in AI: what does it actually mean for a model to be ethical, who's responsible when it isn't, and how do the major labs actually bake ethics into their training?

    Salman breaks down the three stages of model training, explains why human preference and ethical behaviour aren't the same thing.


    Chapter Timestamps

    00:00 — Intro: should AI models be ethical?
    01:28 — Defining ethics (Salman's version, not Aristotle's)
    03:04 — Jon's counterpoint: humans haven't agreed on ethics either
    05:31 — Is it the model's job, or the product around it?
    07:59 — Sycophancy: why chatbots are trained to be liked, not helpful
    09:16 — The UN report: a 14-year-old, a chatbot, and a death
    15:01 — Grok gave a user instructions to break into a politician's home
    18:03 — The case for doing something — anything — over nothing
    20:11 — How models are actually trained: pre-training, SFT and RLHF explained
    23:53 — "These models are a mirror of ourselves"
    25:06 — Anthropic's Constitutional AI: philosophers, principles and RLAIF
    28:42 — "It's enough for Grok. It's enough for Elon."
    31:15 — "Broadly safe. Broadly ethical." Jon and Salman on that phrasing.
    34:11 — OpenAI's model spec: the hierarchy of rules
    42:25 — Jon's idea: mirror existing industry frameworks instead of starting from scratch
    45:37 — Wrap up: next ep will bring in a guest to answer the hard questions

    48 min
  • AI Is Now Making Your MacBook More Expensive

    Alibaba used 25,000 fake accounts to steal Anthropic's secrets. And your next MacBook just got 20% more expensive because of AI.

    Two stories this week, both pointing at the same thing: the AI arms race has consequences, and they're starting to land on real people.


    Chapter Timestamps

    00:00 — Intro: two stories, one theme
    00:21 — Anthropic vs Alibaba: the distillation attack explained
    01:42 — 25,000 fake accounts, 20 million interactions with Claude
    04:58 — This isn't the first time: DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, Minimax
    06:41 — The hypocrisy angle: Anthropic trained on other people's data too
    10:16 — Qwen costs 5 cents per million tokens. Claude Opus costs $5.
    13:21 — The geopolitical angle: why the US government got involved
    15:54 — The Scooby-Doo twist (you'll want to watch this bit)
    19:32 — MacBooks going up 15–20% because of AI chip demand
    20:34 — Hyperscalers are buying all the RAM. You're subsidising the arms race.
    25:30 — Next episode teaser: trusting AI agents — what are the real risks?


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    27 min
  • Elon Just Bought the Tool Every Developer Uses

    OpenAI's financials leaked. Elon bought Cursor. Microsoft had to call Amazon for help. Standard week.

    Jon and Salman dig into four stories that all point to the same thing: the AI industry is moving so fast that even the biggest companies in the world can't keep up with it.

    42 min
  • The Federal Reserve Is Scared of AI. Should You Be?

    Is the AI bubble about to burst? Jon and Salman go full data mode.

    No news roundup this week. Instead, Jon and Salman ask the question everyone's dancing around: is AI genuinely transforming business?

    They dig into the numbers, and what they find is... not great. The Federal Reserve has now officially flagged AI as a top systemic economic risk.

    34 min
  • Meta's AI Handed Over Obama's Instagram to a Stranger. For Free.

    This week Jon and Salman cover Anthropic calling for AI regulation while simultaneously IPO-ing for $1 trillion, Meta's AI support chatbot handing over Instagram accounts to complete strangers, whether Meta is about to become the fourth major cloud provider, and a chip that transmits data using light instead of electricity. Plus graduation students booing every mention of AI, and someone who named their Bluetooth device "bomb" on a flight to Majorca and turned the whole plane around.

    39 min
  • GitHub Got Hacked, $500 Million Spent on AI in a Month & Bots Built Their Own Religion Cloud Unplugged

    This week Jon and Salman cover a 

    * GitHub breach from a single dodgy VS Code extension
    * Dutch civil servants accidentally exposed to the US Senate, and 
    * whether EU cloud sovereignty is even real. 

    Plus token maxing is officially dead, and somehow a social network for AI bots ended up creating its own religion with 64 prophets and a manifesto calling for the total purge of humanity.

    41 min

About Cloud Unplugged

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Each week, Jon Shanks, CEO of cloud-native consultancy and product business Appvia, and tech evangelist Salman Iqbal, analyse the biggest news stories that week, that are shaping Cloud, Data and AI.