What makes a vacation rental truly memorable- and why do some properties just *feel right* even when that value doesn’t fit neatly into an Excel spreadsheet?

In this special episode of the Cocktails & Dreams Real Estate Podcast with Jeramie Worley, Jeramie sits down with **Jeff Pelletier, Founder and Managing Principal of Board & Vellum**, to talk about architecture, hospitality, experiential real estate, and the design philosophy helping shape **Victory Springs** in the Ozarks.

Jeff shares why vacation homes need to be designed differently from traditional homes and hotels — and why great hospitality design starts with understanding the experience a guest will have from the moment they arrive.

Jeramie and Jeff discuss:

• Why vacation rentals require a different design philosophy than traditional homes

• Creating intentional “wow moments” throughout the guest experience

• Designing buildings around nature instead of simply placing buildings on land

• Why outdoor spaces should function like outdoor rooms

• Balancing architecture and design with the development pro forma

• The design “X factor” that can create value even when it is difficult to quantify

• Using topography, trees, views, rock formations, and other site constraints as amenities

• Why short-term rental hospitality operates differently from traditional hotels

• Designing spaces where families can gather, separate, relax, and reconnect

• The architectural vision behind Victory Springs

• Why experiential real estate can create both stronger guest experiences and long-term value

One of Jeff’s observations captures the heart of the conversation:

**“You can’t say this feels right in an Excel spreadsheet, but you know it when you see it.”**

That balance between financial discipline and unforgettable experience is a major part of what Jeramie and the Victory Springs team are working to create.

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ABOUT JEFF PELLETIER & BOARD & VELLUM

Jeff Pelletier is the Founder and Managing Principal of Board & Vellum, a multidisciplinary design firm bringing architecture, interior design, and landscape architecture together to create spaces around the people who will actually experience them.

Board & Vellum:

https://www.boardandvellum.com

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/boar...

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/boardandvellum

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ABOUT VICTORY SPRINGS

Victory Springs is a waterfront real estate development in the Table Rock Lake area of the Missouri Ozarks focused on experiential hospitality, distinctive architecture, connection with nature, and creating places where people can genuinely retreat and recharge.

Learn more:

https://www.victorysprings.com

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/VictorySprin...

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COCKTAILS & DREAMS REAL ESTATE PODCAST

Hosted by real estate developer, investor, broker, and entrepreneur **Jeramie Worley**, the Cocktails & Dreams Real Estate Podcast explores real estate, development, investing, entrepreneurship, hospitality, and the people building interesting things.

Full Episode Transcript & Blog:

https://blog.victorysprings.com/post/...

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Why do so many of us struggle being entrepreneurs when really all we want to be a successful business owners? That's the topic of today's conversation with Ron Saharian, who is a friend, an incredibly successful businessman, and my business partner in a new venture that I'm really excited to talk with you about.

Ron talks about the theory of money. We get into some questions about money because a lot of us who are real purpose driven, or even a lot of us who are Christ-centered or faith-based. We oftentimes run into problems as we wrap our heads around money - is it okay to have money? Is it okay to talk about money? Let's face it, sometimes there's a block there.

There's nothing wrong with having a successful business and I think that's the thing a lot of us don't go after. We go after the pursuit of a great idea, but we don't always go after the pursuit of profit. Well, my friend Ron has a business called Profit First, which started out as an idea that seemed like common sense, but yet no one was applying it.

As he went out into the world to start getting people to apply this, everybody resisted it because it's a discipline. It's a discipline that once you engage in your life, you will see things unlock. 

What I'm talking about is financial stewardship.In this episode, I talk about some personal things that Kelly and I have gone through and how now we've begun to see an incredible unlocking as we talk about financial stewardship in our life, not just making money.

1:47 Ron talks about the growth of his exceptional business with his business partner and where they started from, where they're going, and what we're doing now, which is actually an another incredibly exciting thing that we get to reveal on this podcast, which is a new CPA rollup company that I get the great privilege to jump into with a couple of the most legendary business executives out there, including some of the people who you've heard right here on this podcast.

So tune in. We're going to wrap our heads around money. We're going to talk about how you can pay yourself first and actually get away with it and some other cool conceptualized money theory type topics.

Link to Special Guest:

https://profitfirstprofessionals.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-saharyan-3846a8 

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

Recently I traveled to Knoxville TN to meet with a group of savvy Short Term Rental investors and agents and found a guy to “gets it” so I wanted to introduce you to him. Cory King is all about creative strategies, big ideas, and a real passion for real estate. Cory’s been in the game since 09, starting from his first 'house hack' back to building a strong investment portfolio.

He’s got experience across all aspects of the business, from off-market deals to working directly with investors. And his approach? It’s not just about closing deals; it’s about finding new ways to build wealth and deliver value to clients.

What makes Cory’s story stand out is his hands-on, no-nonsense approach. He’s not just talking about real estate—he’s living it. From his early days flipping vacant lots in Florida to helping clients build million-dollar portfolios in Knoxville, Cory’s built a reputation for finding off-market deals and making smart, creative plays. He’s also deeply invested in building community, running a local investor meetup that’s grown to nearly 2,000 members. His passion for guiding others, whether it’s through strategic flips or identifying the right rental markets, really shines through.

As always, don’t forget to share, subscribe, and rate the show. Your feedback helps us keep bringing you these stories that entertain and educate.

Link to Special Guest:

www.TheCAZAGroup.com 

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

I’m excited to introduce you to two of the newest agents on our team, Gabi Hill and Rebekah Simonton. They’re based just over the Arkansas line, and their journey into real estate has already been a great story of teamwork, persistence, and grit. What really stands out about Gabi and Rebekah is how they’ve built a strong partnership from day one. In this business, having someone you can trust, who’s got your back, makes all the difference. These two have figured that out early, and it’s already paying off. 

Whether it’s cold-calling out-of-state property owners or diving deep into research before making a move, Gabi and Rebekah aren’t afraid to do the hard work that gets results. Their approach is strategic, and it’s delivering big. They’ve already secured million-dollar listings and are proving themselves to be agents who understand what it takes to succeed in this market. 

What I admire most is that they aren’t just coasting through; they’re all-in, working every lead, making every opportunity count. If you’re an investor, you’ll quickly see how Gabi and Rebekah’s attention to detail and commitment to following through make them agents you want on your side.  And if you’re an agent listening in, this episode will remind you of what’s possible when you find the right partner to work alongside.

As always, we want to hear from you, so be sure to like, subscribe, and share this episode with others. It helps us keep bringing you these stories. 

Link to Special Guest:

https://www.facebook.com/shoptheozarkmountains/ 

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

Satirah Takes Over,.... today [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] and [email protected] take over the podcast to share spooooooooky stories about the real estate biz....

@satirahlovesbranson,

@shaeduffyhomes,

@KellyWorleyTeam,

@investinvacations,

@owntheozarks,

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

Hey everyone, welcome back to Cocktails and Dreams Real Estate Podcast. I’m really excited about today’s episode because we’ve got April Lister joining us. 

April is an agent in our office, and I’ve had the opportunity to see her grow into a key part of the Worley Real Estate Network. What stands out most about April is her determination. She transitioned from a steady job to pursue real estate full-time—not because it was the easy choice, but because it was the right one for her and her family. It’s that level of intention that really defines how she approaches both life and business.

April’s journey is one of resilience and making difficult choices, something I know a lot of us can relate to. She’s built a real estate business that’s not just about transactions—it’s about relationships. Whether she’s helping first-time home buyers or working with seasoned investors,

April brings the same level of dedication and focus to each client. 

And for investors tuning in, you’ll appreciate how April is becoming a go-to agent for smart, strategic investment opportunities. She’s dedicated to helping her clients maximize their returns while providing the hands-on support and market expertise that investors need to stay ahead.

If you’re an agent looking for inspiration or an investor searching for a savvy, hardworking agent who knows how to get results, I think you’ll find a lot of value in April’s story. It’s not always easy,

but as April will tell you, the reward is worth the effort.

As always, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share this episode. It really helps us continue to bring stories like April’s to you. Now, let’s dive in with April Lister.

Link to Special Guest:

https://aprillister.exprealty.com/

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

I heard a real estate agent in my office earlier today say, I just want to know everything already. I want this learning curve to be over. To which I said, you're in the wrong business. Which is actually the coolest thing about this business is because you're always learning.

If you're like me, your ambition is always outpacing your ability and just about the time you have a black belt in something, you've got to take it off and put on a white belt. And that's okay. Which is why at the Worley Real Estate Network, we're so enthusiastic about creating an environment where it's not our responsibility to make you succeed, but the environment will both irritate you and inspire you until you succeed.

You'll be inspired by all of the knowledge and all of the collaboration that occurs and you'll also be irritated because you'll see people around you investing in real estate and you know you can do the same. In fact, this is a place where thousands of people have come to increase their financial wealth through real estate and real state education. That's what we do. We serve our clients at the very highest level and there's a process that can be trained. It is an apprenticeship process. If I could imagine a hammer and an anvil and the clang, clang, clang, that's what happens to human beings when they enter the worldly real estate arena.

We do our best to help grow people and to help people become first world class agents and then investor friendly agents and then investor agents and then team leads and and then investors themselves, and quite possibly even real estate developers, which has been our journey.

I wanted to share with you guys the opportunity to come alongside me at some of the earlier stages in my career. I've had the great privilege to interview lots of people and extract some nuggets from the things that they've done, but I wanted an opportunity to share with you some of the things, the challenges that I've overcome, because I think they're significant, especially if you're a real estate agent or you're an entrepreneur, or you're investor, or you're somebody that just wants to get the most out of life. 

I want to start adding some additional episodes in the future, where I can talk about more of the ways that God has shown up in my business. I want to create a new channel, a new format. I'm going to be calling it Eye Of The Shepherd, which will be detailing the journey from shepherd ship to kingship. I'm also going to be creating some curriculum around that. And moving forward, I'm also going to give some people the microphone.You’re going to see Cocktails and Dreams become more of a fun forum, and deeper conversations that I want to have with people as it pertains to leadership or the way God shows up in their life.

Get ready season three of Cocktails and Dreams, because we're going to shake things up a little bit for you and we want to hear from you more. We want to know the topics that you want to hear about. If you have ideas or if you know somebody that just needs to be pushed out there who is just living a great life because they're enjoying the journey, regardless of what life is throwing at them, then we want to know them. And we want to know you. 

So get ready for this weird episode of cocktails and dreams where I get interviewed by Brian the cartoon. Stay tuned.

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

What happens when someone passes away and leaves real estate to a loved one? Certainly you need a team of people to help you navigate what could be the trickiest thing you’ve ever had to endure. Some people go to a real estate agent to sell the house, but I can tell you that most real estate agents, and in fact many attorneys, don’t know what to do in a situation like this. How would it make you feel if you knew someone that had been through it a time or two, or maybe even someone who was certified to help?

I’m excited to introduce you to Buddy West. Buddy is the author of the book Targeting The Over 55 Market and has co authored the designation SRES – Seniors Real Estate Specialist, which makes him the perfect person to introduce the topic of Probate as it pertains to real estate. In this conversation he walks us through what some of the problems could be if you don’t have someone on your team that is well versed in probate law, and how it can help you tremendously if you do.

We also identify trends in age demographics as it pertains to Baby Boomers and breaks it down to a simple number. Every 15 seconds a Baby Boomer passes away and most of the families go straight to an auctioneer to liquidate the asset. But what if there was a better way to preserve that wealth? What if you could have an advocate with a fiduciary relationship to help you through that time, rather than just someone trying to get to a bottom dollar?

We also identify trends in age demographics as it pertains to Baby Boomers and breaks it down to a simple number. Every 15 seconds a Baby Boomer passes away and most of the families go straight to an auctioneer to liquidate the asset. But what if there was a better way to preserve that wealth? What if you could have an advocate with a fiduciary relationship to help you through that time, rather than just someone trying to get to a bottom dollar?

This is what you get with Buddy West, no half in or half out. He’s all in. Here to serve and help you specialize because he says the days of general practitioners are over and it’s time to sharpen the saw.

Let’s do that together, right now!

To register for this October 3rd class in Branson:

probate.gowrencon.com

Link to Special Guest:

https://www.certifiedprobatespecialist.org

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

We're covering two major things in this episode today. One is the overall pulse of the nationwide short-term rental market and the second thing is the availability of a DSCR loan and how it can help you make some phenomenal moves.

Without affecting your personal credit. DSCR stands for debt service coverage ratio when it's a loan that you don't need your income to qualify for. There's a lot to it, but to help me with this conversation, I've brought in one of the top minds in the DSCR space. A guy who does these loans for investors all over the country, Paul Garwol, with Garwol financial.

Paul's a rare find. I have conversations with lenders nearly every week, but very few of them who get it, which means that they understand the loan process from the investor's perspective - the ones who are not just slinging loans for volume and a bonus. They become someone that you can't do business without, an advisor, someone who's watching your back to make sure that your loan is going to go through.

Paul is very smart and he cares deeply for his clients. He advises at times to give you an edge when negotiating and he'll cover some specific examples of this and insights on which markets around the country are very hot for the short-term rental deals.

Lastly, we talk about what Paul calls deal killers. These are things that may come up in the property that will stop a deal dead in its tracks before it even goes to an underwriter. These things are good to know before you start shopping with the real estate agent.

So listen closely, I know you'll learn.

Link to Special Guest:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulgarwol/ 

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams

I once wrote a book called Myths Management and Mastery of Vacation Rentals, and the thesis of that book is whether you're rich, or you want to be, we all need the same thing. A greater return on our time. 

Now I've helped people with no money, no hope, and no direction find a pathway through real estate investing by becoming a full-time real estate professional and overall recognizing the impact that becoming an entrepreneur can have on your life. Both good or bad, but mostly good if you have the stomach for it. I'm personally psychologically unemployable, so I don't have any other choice. 

Recently, I had a really cool opportunity to meet Dr. Rachel Gainsbrugh, a kindred spirit who has done the very same thing, but for an even more niche community - medical professionals.

These are people with means who still need a leg up. Many of them have over a half million dollars in student debt, they work corporate jobs that come with corporate headaches and Rachael has proven that it doesn't really matter the community, we all need help. 

I personally found her advice packed with wisdom. Rachael talks about how you don't necessarily need 200 doors to make an impact on your life. What you really need is one or two properties to make a massive difference for yourself financially.

In fact she did such a great job of it in her own personal business, it landed her on the Netflix show Buy My House. She talks about how to thrive in a crowded market and why multiple streams of income in your life is not just a luxury nowadays, but a necessity.

 I hope you enjoyed this chat with Rachael, founder of 75 Gems. It was my joy.

Link to Special Guest:

WWW.SHORTTERMGEMS.COM

[email protected]

For Video versions of podcast:

https://youtube.com/@worleyrealestatenetwork

Connect with Jeramie and our business

https://www.linkedin.com/company/worleyrealestatenetwork

Copy of Jeramie’s Book, Workbook or Audiobook

https://worleyconsulting.textretailer.com/qc/tlkA3RcG9W

Link to our website

https://worleyrealestatenetwork.com/

For a free trial to the best investment grade Short Term Rental Data tool for locating the best deals out there and to help Investors and Agents achieve mastery in their real estate business:

https://vrolio.typeform.com/cocktailndreams