The man behind the engineering and recording of our podcast becomes the guest! This week features Cody Ziglar (UCB engineer, Cracked, Funny or Die) who works toooooooooo damn hard!

Just so you know Zig will have some sweet bass vocals in your ears! 

Before getting into the whine Shaughn and Ellen have some Hip Sip Tips! Ellen wants people to give sweet wine a chance. Shaughn's tip is the Kunin Pape Star Blonde--rhone varietals from Santa Barbara!

Zig's whine is that he works too much and does not have time for the small things. Shaughn and Ellen pair it with a wine that is small in name and big in taste: 2015 Brady Petite Sirah! Its a bigass wine with a smallass name.

Then the convo goes all over the place! You are really missing out on the Zig vibe if you don't drink SOMETHING and listen to him. You will learn about wine and you will learn about making your way in LA! You may or may not figure out what is TRULY IMPORTANT! The talk goes deep from when to accidentally name-drop to family expectations!

The lightning round covers the body of petite sirah, what Paso Robles means, food pairing and who passes in Paso.

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