It's one of the toughest conversations you will ever have - when do you say enough is enough and stop doing IVF? Jacob and Kurt discuss what that conversation is like, the best way to have it, and what it truly means to say "we're finished".

Miscarriages are common. They are brutal, emotionally scarring and intrinsically terrifying events for any couple. In this episode, Kurt discusses The Miscarriage that changed his and Emma's IVF journey, and their entire lives. And he discusses the dark passenger that was along for the ride.

In this episode Jacob and Kurt delve into the insane data behind success rates, the drugs that seriously mess up your partner and the hard conversation around "whose fault is it anyway?"

In this episode Jacob delves into he and Harmony's ectopic pregnancy emergencies. Listen on to find out exactly what brought them far too close to disaster...

This week's beer is the Moon Dog Old Mate Pale Ale

We also play an extract from the 4 Corners episode The Baby Business. Watch it here.

In this episode Kurt and Jacob delve into the world of IUIs, the emotional and physical journey of losing a pregnancy early, and that first f@#$ing round of IVF.

Today's intermission is taken from the Adam Ruins Everything Youtube channel.

Get to know your hosts Kurt Sanders and Jacob Aldridge as they walk you through the ups, downs, ins and outs of fertility treatment through the eyes of the blokes that have been there.

In this episode they discuss:

• Who even wants kids?
• How long do you wait before you seek fertility help?
• The Coitus Calendar
• IUI vs IVF (Intrauterine Insemination vs In vitro fertilization)
• The inner workings of the Masturbation Den