Chris Condon and Jacob Phillips return to the podcast to discuss their DC Vertigo book The Peril of the Brutal Dark: An Ezra Cain Mystery. Condon explains the path from comic he created in high school to helping kick off the Vertigo line, while Phillips explains how he's changed his process -- again -- for the new series. Plus we discuss the end of Green Arrow, the horror of Everything Dead & Dying, and why Condon went Marvel exclusive.

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