"Grind culture is a presence killer." That is how Jackie B. Grice opened this conversation, and she would know. Jackie is a wellness strategist and the founder of Soul Sabbatical Retreats, and she also co-owns a transportation management company, an industry that never stops moving.
For years she led from fear. If she slowed down, she would miss a bid, lose an opportunity, lose her people. If she stopped, the bottom would fall out. Then COVID stopped the wheels on the bus completely, and Jackie was forced into the one thing she had spent her whole career avoiding: two days of silence. What she heard in that stillness rebuilt how she leads.
In this episode Jacinda Patty and Jackie pull apart the wellness industry's "do more" myth (the pressure to tick off 10 things a day just to feel like a good person), and get honest about what burnout actually does to your leadership: the rushed hires, the eroded boundaries, the performing of presence instead of having it. Jackie shares a jaw-dropping story about a fear-based hire that went very wrong, then gives her practical 3-step framework for nervous system renewal, grounded in the truth that you do not need to fix the moment, you just need to regulate it. A warm, funny, and genuinely useful conversation about why the future of powerful leadership is quiet.
SCENE MAP (Timestamps):
00:00 - Why grind culture is a presence killer
01:00 - The noisiest myth in wellness: hustle and the "10-lister" trap
03:00 - "Social media pretty": chasing an unattainable bar
05:00 - The breaking point: COVID, and naming her fear-based leadership
06:30 - "The wheels on the bus did not go round and round, they stopped"
08:00 - The intervention: two days of silence in the front yard, and hearing "launch deeper"
11:00 - How burnout showed up: anxiety, rushed hires, attracting the wrong people
15:00 - Performing presence vs having it: people-pleasing and no boundaries
19:00 - Coaching a friend in the same trap: "do not quick-hire"
22:00 - The story: the fear-based hire who turned out to be the head of a drug ring
28:00 - Her 3-step framework for nervous system renewal
31:00 - The sacred no, and the 90-second reset (emotions metabolise in about 90 seconds)
33:00 - "Call it": Jacinda on naming jealousy to circuit-break it
37:00 - The future of leadership: quiet, self-aware, led from the soul
40:00 - The self-care that is actually garbage: chasing trends and the youth obsession
45:00 - Who a soul sabbatical is NOT for: the woman who will not say yes to herself
50:00 - The flagship Soul Sabbatical (Salamander Resort), and where to find Jackie
GUEST:
Jackie B. Grice - Wellness Strategist & Founder of Soul Sabbatical Retreats
Follow Jackie on Instagram: @jackiebgrice
Retreat: The Soul Sabbatical
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Host: Jacinda Patty
Follow Jacinda: @jacindapatty
Command Your Presence (CYP): https://www.commandyourpresence.com/