Psychologist and author Dr. Ingrid Clayton joins Ilana and Cristina to share how her own complex PTSD led her to write, "Fawning: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves--and How to Find Our Way Back." These three delightful recovering fawners have a powerful conversation that illuminates how fawning happens and how to widen your window of tolerance, grow, and accept where you're at. The move towards "unfawning" takes work, can feel bad, but curiosity can start to get you back in contact with your own body and self. . . maybe for the first time.

Also, fuck Epstein and how the women who have spoken out are being treated. We see you Pam, and we think you're a raging cunt.

Shoutouts: Erin McAnoy, Michelle Villemaire, Resmaa Menakem's "My Grandmother's Hands,"

Endorsements: REST! Not because you're burn out but rest for rest's sake, easy STRETCHING, and CURIOSITY

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