Psychologist and author Dr. Ingrid Clayton joins Ilana and Cristina to share how her own complex PTSD led her to write, "Fawning: Why the Need to Please Makes Us Lose Ourselves--and How to Find Our Way Back." These three delightful recovering fawners have a powerful conversation that illuminates how fawning happens and how to widen your window of tolerance, grow, and accept where you're at. The move towards "unfawning" takes work, can feel bad, but curiosity can start to get you back in contact with your own body and self. . . maybe for the first time.

Also, fuck Epstein and how the women who have spoken out are being treated. We see you Pam, and we think you're a raging cunt.

Shoutouts: Erin McAnoy, Michelle Villemaire, Resmaa Menakem's "My Grandmother's Hands,"

Endorsements: REST! Not because you're burn out but rest for rest's sake, easy STRETCHING, and CURIOSITY

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Ilana and Cristina get high on Ed...education that is! And they explore the metaphysical side of life - mostly through Ilana's dog. No matter what your beliefs, it's clear that mother nature has the coolest shit out there; schools of fish, trees that communicate through intricate fungi networks and duck-bill platypuses. I mean what even are they?! Life is wild.

Shoutouts: Fran Tait Pet psychic, Telepathy Tapes, Laura Lynn Jackson's Signs, LTC

Endorsements: Rosalia, Bad Bunny, Putumayo

Send us your PSYCHICS!!!

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Podcast and radio legend Phil Hendrie joins big time radio lovers Ilana and Cristina. They're all flying high on Wellbutrin and L-Theanine. Listen in as they talk about control, crying, and doing silly voices for sanity.

Shoutouts: Easy Rider, Apocalypse Now, Clockwork Orange. The Pitch, Liam Sullivan

Endorsements: Nichiren Buddhism, Creatine, Hendrie Documentary,

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Garden Gnomes, Tasers and Floppy Cheese... what are your phobias? We'd love to hear from you. Ilana has loose fears about dropping her keys down a hole. Cristina hates your mouth noise with a passion. Koro syndrome is not common but would make a fun film! There is so much toxicity out there (our government, our salad), but here at That's So Mental we hope we help you laugh at all of it, because we are all on the same rock flying through space and what is life anyway?!

Shoutout to previous guest: Dr. Alisa Angelone, Ilana's cheese fearing brother Ari, Ab Fab,

Endorsements: What We Can Know by Ian McEwan, Gratitude Lists

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Comedy legend, Margaret Cho joins Ilana and Cristina to chat; growing old, daily practices, and wtf is going on in the world. Despite feeling jammed full of Wagyu, Margaret is also jammed full of insights. She shares with us her daily practices of writing, meditating, and animal caregiving.

Shoutouts: Margaret's Tour: Choligarchy, Sundance Films; Run Amok, and I Want Your Sex, Ryan Langer's Mourning songs

Endorsements: SLEEP! Going to bed early, Chani - for all your horoscope needs, and Staring at the Wall.

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Cristina and Ilana are here and living that hot gratitude life! Broken bodies and all. Cristina recommends Xanax while time traveling aka getting an MRI, Ilana can't wait to recommend things to you that she can not recall any of the details of. Lucky for you, there are links below to all the great things bouncing around their brains.

Shoutouts: Ingid Clayton, Sofia Isella doing great things for the young ladies, Lisa Gilroy's night time routine

Endorsements: Shaking hands with conviction, Not telling girls to smile, Happy Sol Red Light Mask, Breville Bambino Espresso Machine

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Actress Patty Guggenheim, known for Twisted Metal, She-Hulk, and Florida Girls, joins Christie and Lani this week on That's So Mental to chat wigs, broth and what it's like working with genius Alanis Morrisette. The world won't slow down, but sometimes we have to rest. EMDR, neurofeedback, and a witch who channels a doctor - we are here for it! Patty leaves us with The Santa EffectTM . . . believe and you will receive. And hey, maybe just get rid of that "bad energy" jacket for good. Santa can bring a new one.

Shoutouts: Heal your body by Louise Hay

Endorsements: Jonathan Hyland, Dream Work Therapist, Shutting it down (as a practice), free writing

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HAPPY NEW YEAR! It's 2026, so put on a bright lip and get that short dress on to show off those legs - they're gorgeous! That's So Mental is 50 episodes deep and we are so grateful to each and everyone of you for listening week after week. We have some great guests coming up this year and we are so thrilled and grateful that we get to get down in the nitty gritty with all of these talented folks. So many insights!

Shoutout to previous guest Sofia Gonzalez for her wisdom.

Endorsements: Read a Thriller - Cristina is enjoying God Of The Woods by Liz Moore, Everyday Dose Coffee

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It's the last TSM episode of the year and we're joined by our lovely producer, Elizabeth Baquet, sharing so many great ways and organizations to get involved with in your community. Cristina is going hard at the end of the year and Ilana is staring at the wall. Both are acceptable.

Endorsements: Nick Cave , Turn towards hope, stay away from cynicism, check out the local markets, and volunteer at your kids' school!

Get Involved!

CASA of LA

Hope Street Distro

Write Girl

Mutual Aid Network LA

More Great Organizations:

Everyday Action

Water Drop

LA Community Fridges

Young Storytellers

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Community organizer, photographer, and creator of Hey Baby and Take Care Club, Gilda Davidian joins Cristina and Ilana to chat about how you too can be a wonderful helper in your community! For our month of December we're focusing on giving. Send us links to organizations that you love or donate to. We want to check them out!

Endorsements: Plant the seeds! (literal and metaphorical) Do the little thing, supplements (Cristina is is working with turmeric, magnesium, multi, creatine, D3 - Ilana likes that fish oil too), Eckhart Tolle The Power of Now

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