In this episode, Jocelyn talks with composer and her long time close friend, Abbie Betinis. They talk about their entwined education history, how they charted their own paths through motherhood and composition, and discuss how they approach and recognize craft and style in music. 

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A Blessing of Cranes with poetry by Michael Dennis Browne 

Abraham Lincoln Walks at Midnight

American Suzuki Foundation

St. Olaf College 

University of MN Twin Cities School of Music 

European American Musical Alliance 

Peter Hamlin 

Judith Lang Zaimont 

Nadia Boulanger 

Philip Lasser

Stephen Paulus 

Having it All by Corrine Low

On Being with Krista Tippett: Alice Parker – "Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts"

In this episode, Jocelyn talks with Georgia Stitt about her career in musical theater, the multifaceted Maestra project, navigating the need for community and isolation in creativity, and what it means to be in the very small club where your husband is also a composer. 

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Order Here I Am: Choral Music of Jocelyn Hagen from True Concord Voices and Orchestra 

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Snow Child based on the novel by Eowyn Ivey

Bell Tower 

Stop from the album A Quiet Revolution 

The Danger Year 

Let This Darkness Be a Bell Tower

Maestra 

Maestra Directory

Maestra Mentorship run by Meg Zervoulis Bate and Sonya Hayden

Blair School of Music at Vanderbilt 

NYU Graduate Musical Theatre Writing Program

Summer Stock Stage (SSS) 

Princeton University

John Morris Russell

Eric Whitacre 

Mary Mitchell Campbell 

Cincinnati Pops Orchestra

Time’s Up Plus One initiative

The Artist’s Way 

Violet by Jeanine Tesori 

The Last Five Years (movie version)

tick, tick... BOOM! directed by Lin-Manuel Miranda (movie version)

Sweet Charity with Sutton Foster, directed by Lee Silverman 

In this episode, Jocelyn talks with Cynthia Lee Wong about how she incorporates visuals and animations into her music as a way to invite audiences in. 

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Ashley Stone, mezzo-soprano

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Cynthia’s Website

Cynthia’s Youtube

Carnival Fever

In the Blink of An Eye composed for ROCO Chamber Orchestra 

Fates and Furies

Piano Quartet inspired by Edgar Allan Poe's story “Ligeia”

Six Gupta Songs

Juilliard Journal 

League of Composers/ISCM

Milton Babbitt

David Del Tredici

Samuel Adler 

New England Conservatory Preparatory Division 

Python coding

Blender (3D animation program)

Apple Motion 

Stable Diffusion (AI image generator)

Jocelyn’s The Notebooks of Leonardo Da Vinci and filmmaker Isaac Gale 

In this episode, Jocelyn talks with Nathalie Joachim about different musical modalities as vehicles for creative expression, being present and resisting the pressures of capitalist-demanded output, and unlearning perfectionism. 

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Nathalie Joachim

Flutronix

Fanm d'Ayiti, Album

Ki moun ou ye, Album

Erin Patrice O’Brien, photographer 

Malin Lindaeus Vintage Store in Brooklyn, NY

Blood Sister from She is Called: Dear Stranger, Brooklyn Youth Chorus

In this episode, Jocelyn talks with Alex Shapiro about writing from your gut and your heart, the compositional process behind her pieces Spark and Tight Squeeze, and how to prevent the gerbils in your mind from taking over your creative process. 

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Tight Squeeze commissioned through Composers and Schools in Concert consortium 

Spark written in honor of Dale Mara Bershad

Lights Out

Paper Cut

Bioplasm 

Proximity to Europe Theory, Pages 18-19

San Juan Islands

American Composers Forum 

Libby Larsen

Mary Ellen Childs 

Alex’s Photography and Her Studio

Ursula Mamlok

Arnold Schoenberg

Anton Webern  

Serialism, Twelve-Tone

Columbia College Chicago Music Department 

Cocktails With Creatives: Episode 1

Cocktails With Creatives: Episode 2 

In this episode, Jocelyn talks with Gabriela Lena Frank about the multitudes of her music, which spans intimate explorations of love and loss to the multi-generational effects of colonialism. They also discuss responsibly engaging with trauma, mentoring the next generation of composers, and writing music for a universe where there’s no oppression. 

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Gabriela Lena Frank’s website

Gabriela Lena Frank Creative Academy of Music and their Eco-Citizenship program

A Psalm of Disquiet, written for the Fry Street Quartet

Conquest Requiem, premiered by The Houston Symphony 

El último sueño de Frida y Diego (The Last Dream of Frida and Diego), libretto by Nilo Cruz, premiered by the San Diego Opera

LA Opera Digital Shorts: The Five Moons of Lorca by Gabriela Lena Frank and Nilo Cruz 

La Llorona: Tone Poem for Viola and Orchestra

Meyer Sound 

Anna and the Tropics by Nilo Cruz 

Frida by Robert Rodriguez

Dead Man Walking by Jake Hegge 

Shara Nova joins Jocelyn to talk about her many and multi-faceted musical endeavors. They discuss music's role in love, loss, family, and why everyone should try to make a joyful musical noise together.  

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AwRY

My Brightest Diamond

Bring Me the Workhorse - Golden Star

This is My Hand

All Things Will Unwind

Titration 

“III. Resolve” from Carols After a Plague - The Crossing

Death Speaks by David Lang

Earl Harvin - drummer 

Chris Bruce - bass

Eighth Blackbird

Philip Glass 

Nina Simone

Nico Muhly

Owen Palette

Brooklyn Youth Chorus

yMusic

Zac Rae

Bryce Dessner 

Aaron Dessner

Laurie Anderson 

Homeland, Joe's Pub Vanguard Artist & Residency 

Crossing Brooklyn Ferry at BAM

Texas Conspirare 2022-2023 Hear Me Out Program 

MusiCares Article: Client Spotlight: How Shara Nova Amplified Her Career By Keeping A "Wild Belief" In Herself & Other Women

ProTools

Sibelius

Mari Esabel Valverde joins Jocelyn to talk language, unlearning shame, gender, and pathways to excellence for the under-resourced. 

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Before Spring

To digte af Tove Ditlevsen | Performed by Matthew Valverde, tenor

Darest, O Soul | Performed by Cantus

Earth, Mother | Performed by the University of Michigan Men’s Glee Club

Moonlight Quartet | Performed by Her Ensemble 

Border Lines | Text by Yesenia Montilla | Composed for and Performed by Adams State University Chamber Choir

St. Olaf College

European American Music Alliance 

Amir Rabiyah, poet 

International Orange Chorale of San Francisco

Influences and inspiration: 

Claude Debussy

King David, Part III: “The Death of David” by Arthur Honegger

Les Six

Wilhelm Stenhammar

Jean Sibelius

Wilhelm Peterson-Berger

Edvard Grieg

Siete Canciones Populares Españolas, V. Nana by Manuel de Falla

Resources on Gender Identity:

Video by Chase Ross: “Trans 101: Ep 1 - What is Transgender?” 

Graphic by the Trans Student Education Resource: The Gender Unicorn 

Graphic by Sam Killerman: The Genderbread Person 

Season 2 of Compose Like a Girl will launch later this week!

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Emily Drum joins Jocelyn for a conversation on today’s bonus episode! 

Emily (she/her) is a singer, arranger, composer, vocal producer, songwriter, and educator living in Phoenix, AZ. During her time at the University of Arizona, she became the driving force behind the award-winning a cappella group Amplified, serving as director, arranger, and producer. In addition to leading the group to historic success in the Varsity Vocals ICCA competition, she received four ‘Outstanding Arrangement’ awards for her work. Today, Emily is in high demand as a professional vocal arranger and composer. She is commissioned by high school groups, top-ranked collegiate a cappella groups, and semi-professional choirs all over the country, and her self-published arrangements have been sung all over the world, in over 15 countries spread across 5 continents. In addition to arranging and composing, Emily is also a vocal coach, producer, and member of the award-winning treble vocal quartet, Red Letter Daze. Over time, her contributions to countless vocal projects have landed her 27 Contemporary A Cappella Recording Awards (CARA) nominations and awards. She is excited to continue making strides in the world of vocal music and is grateful to be featured in Graphite Publishing.

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Emily Drum 

Womankind, available through Graphite Publishing

Star Light, Star Bright, available through Graphite Publishing

GALA Choruses

Phoenix Women’s Chorus 

International Championship of Collegiate A Cappella

Red Letter Daze

Boston A Cappella Festival 

DAW