Listen to Fred Kirschenmann, pioneer of organic farming and champion of agricultural resilience (and also President of Stone Barns and Distinguished Fellow at the Leopold Center for Sustainable Agriculture— in conversation with Alison Rose Levy. The show focuses on the future of organic agriculture, the need for soil-based food agriculture, and the upcoming battle (in October) at the National Organics Standards Board to keep industrial hydroponics as a separate category rather than allowed it borrow the organic label and undermine local sustainable soil-based farming, which is crucial to food resilience and ecological stability.