Mia speaks with two poets about their recent books, both of which chronicle relationship-building with the more-than-human world. Eungedup is a work of poetry and narrative non-fiction recounting Giles Watson's relationship with a freshwater wetland during a long, dry summer. Vampire Squid is a close and personal account of the deep sea and the people who study it, written throughout Dr Prema Arasu's time working at the UWA Deep-Sea Research Centre.Giles Watson is a writer and teacher of English and Drama who lives in Albany/Kinjarling, WA. Eungedup: A Wetland Summer Diary chronicles his quest to gain a sense of belonging in his new home.   Prema Arasu is a writer and academic at the Deep-Sea Research Centre at the University of Western Australia. Their research utilises transdisciplinary and creative methods to investigate the aesthetics of the deep sea. Vampire Squid examines the relationship between humans and the deep sea as the poet places their colleagues under the microscope, drawing attention not only to the teeming suboceanic life, but the distinctive ways that oceanographer, geoscientist, taxonomist, marine biologist and geneticist each interpret the same world through different eyes. https://fremantlepress.com.au/books/eungedup/https://fremantlepress.com.au/books/vampire-squid/ https://www.armatusoceanic.com/podcast  Earth Matters #1545 was produced by Mia Audrey on Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung Country.