"The real leader is the one who does whatever is needed to get that tower done, whether it's sitting there quietly folding something or directing the tower or getting the coffee. It doesn't matter,” Leif Cocks shares. “The real leader supplements whatever he's doing, whatever makes sense to the greater cause and fills in the gaps that is necessary for the team to achieve their goals." 

In today's episode, we are joined by a fellow author and founder Leif Cocks. He founded the world-renowned Orangutan Project, an international conservation charity.  

Through this engaging conversation, Leif shares his incredible journey from working at a zoo to becoming a founder and worldwide leader. He details the urgency of conserving the rainforest and species in this decade.  

From the dangers faced by rangers in Indonesia to the impact of the pandemic on fundraising, he provides valuable insights into the importance of collective action. On the topic of hiring, they discuss key strategies he uses in building his team. He also offers advice to leaders looking to get into conservation.  

Join us as we explore the vital work of the Orangutan Project and gain valuable lessons in leadership and environmental work. 

Learn more about Leif Cocks and the Orangutan Project.

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