Context for Chaos

In this finale, Meg Jones Wall explains why she prioritizes radical self-empowerment over predictive love readings to help seekers focus on their own growth. She highlights the importance of finding your unique lane in spirituality and resisting the urge to compare your practice to others on the internet. We also deconstruct the King of Wands, exploring how to step into fiery authority as the intentional architect of your own life changes. Through the lens of numerology, Meg shows how archetypes like the Hierophant can help us listen to our own inner spiritual guidance during times of transition.

This concluding conversation is a powerful invitation to celebrate where you are already in your bag and embrace the goodness of your current cycle.

In the fourth segment of our interview, Meg Jones Wall explains why strict tarot methodologies can be brutal and why she prefers a more playful, intuitive approach. We dive into her unique numerological system, where Queens embody the protective power of the Emperor and Kings act as visionary pivot points for change. Meg shares her creative method of assigning jobs to court cards, reimagining the Queen of Wands as a fire dancer and the King as a deliberate setter of necessary forest fires. We also deconstruct the Two of Cups, moving past simple love card cliches to explore deep compatibility and heart-centered decision making.

This episode highlights how the internet has fostered communities where seekers can finally settle into authentic spiritual ecosystems.

Join us to learn how to stop treating tarot like a rigid dictionary and start using it as a flexible, living language.

In this segment Meg Jones Wall reveals her investigative approach to tarot, sharing how crafting journal prompts stimulates deeper self-discovery beyond just reading for oneself.

We explore the “Hanged One" state, a period of limbo and surrendered control that Meg navigated during a difficult move in Brooklyn. By applying Pythagorean numerology, she illustrates how the Hanged One connects to the healing energy of the Empress and the restorative power of nature. Meg introduces the concept of card constellations, where every number reflects a broader picture of facets like the dualism and intuition found in the Twos. This system allows seekers to move past rigid dogma and reclaim their instincts, transforming the deck into a map for navigating life’s difficult choices.

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In this installment, we dive into Meg Jones Wall's creative process and her decision to move beyond the ubiquitous Rider-Waite-Smith deck. Meg reveals how she built a digital tarot grimoire using writing software to track her personal evolution with the cards over many years. She challenges the idea that tarot is an inherent talent for only "special" people, arguing that anyone can access its magic if they are willing to play and trust their own body's response. We explore her book’s unique approach, which ditches card images in favor of astrology, numerology, and sensory experiences.

This conversation is a call to stop treating tarot like a dictionary and start treating it like a flexible, living language. Ultimately, Meg invites us to break free from the shoulds of tradition to find a practice that actually resonates with our real lives.

Join us for an illuminating conversation with Meg Jones Wall, the queer and chronically ill author of Finding the Fool, as she explores her journey from fundamentalism to tarot. Raised in a strict evangelical community in New England, Meg describes a childhood where anyone outside her specific sect was considered unsaved. Meg opens up about the devastating trauma of losing a friend in her youth and how her upbringing taught her to distrust her own intuition. Meg recounts her Tower moment of walking away from the church, a terrifying process of smashing her old life to find true spiritual liberation.

This episode is a raw look at breaking the familiar chains of dogma to embrace a more relatable and grounded way of being.

In this follow-up interview, Corinna Rosella returns to share the raw transition from running a large-scale apothecary to finding freedom in a smaller, more tangible individual practice. After facing a nervous system collapse brought on by the heavy burdens of small business ownership under capitalism, Corinna explores how she is reclaiming her energy through ritual art and analog photography.

The conversation dives into the “psychedelic” nature of cardiac herbs for processing collective grief, the grounding boundaries of Mugwort, and the radical act of redefining success by walking away from a project before it turns to bitterness.

From film soup experiments to the quiet wisdom of planting native trees, this episode is an invitation to ground your spirituality in the body and the earth.

In the final chapter of our conversation, Corinna Rosella explores the true meaning of sovereignty and what it looks like to move from a reactionary ego to a place of grounded, internal power. We delve into the distinctions between controlling one's environment and mastering one's own emotional landscape, using the Kings of the tarot to redefine what leadership actually looks like. Corinna shares a humbling personal anecdote involving a minor daily frustration that reveals the gap between our high spiritual ideals and the messy reality of being human. We also discuss the pitfalls of toxic positivity, the necessity of Empress-level self-care, and the fifteen-year journey of hard lessons that shaped her understanding of authority.

This episode is a call to reclaim power from external systems and find the upright king within yourself.

In the third installment of our interview with Corinna Rosella, the conversation expands from personal healing to the necessity of collective liberation. We delve into what it looks like to dismantle the internalized systems that hold us back—from the "cop in your head" to the limiting binaries of being "all good or all bad". Corinna offers a radical reimagining of ancient archetypes, shifting the focus from traditional gendered tropes to the literal elements that sustain our existence and the accountability we owe to our own well-being. We explore the power of finding the right language for our truths and why the direction of the future ultimately rests in our own autonomy.

In the second part of this interview, Corinna Rosella returns to dismantle the spiritual ego and re-frame traditional archetypes like The Empress not as a figure of hetero normative motherhood, but as a symbol of radical boundaries and self-sustenance. You’ll hear a candid discussion on why the most profound healing is often quiet and internal, and how to identify when “spiritual narcissism” is doing more harm than good.

Whether you are a work in progress or a seasoned seeker, this conversation offers a grounded look at using the cards to break cycles and step into your integrity.

This first installment of the interview features Corinna Rosella, the creator of Rise Up Good Witch, as she explores the intersection of spirituality, leftist politics, and personal recovery.

Learn how her background in anthropology and activism informs her Tarot School for Liberation, where she teaches that the personal is political and that spiritual work must acknowledge the harms of capitalism and systems of oppression. Corinna also challenges traditional views on psychic ability, arguing that the true power of tarot lies not in predicting a fixed fate, but in identifying the unhealed patterns and cycles from our past that shape our future.