This episode is about control: control of wildfires, and control of your own life.

My guests are Alex Jablonski and Kahlil Hudson, producers the film Wildland.

We talk about the deeply personal forces that draw people to wildland firefighting; about the mental highs that come with the job; and about the surprising bonds that form between people who seem to have nothing in common.

Finally, we discuss how controlling nature can help you gain control over your own life, too.