Today we team up with the guys at the Art of Growth podcast, Jim Zartman and Joel Hubbard. Jim and Joel are trained in the Narrative Tradition of the enneagram and do some excellent enneagram work. We talked to them about their own stories and how the enneagram has helped them make sense of them. Our season theme of "story" plays a big role in how they approach their podcast and their work with clients. 

Also, if you like typing film characters, this is the episode for you. Jim and Joel have some insightful takes about the characters in the film Encanto. 

This was a profound conversation. It’s a bit longer than our normal episode length, but well worth the listen.

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Check out the Art of Growth podcast and all their other fantastic resources at https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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