The focal point of this podcast episode is a thorough exploration of Type One in the Enneagram, often referred to as the "Reformer" or "Perfectionist." This discussion encompasses the characteristics of Type One, such as their principled nature, commitment to integrity, and the relentless pursuit of improvement. Throughout the dialogue, we delve into the intricate dynamics of the inner critic that Ones frequently experience, highlighting how this internal voice shapes their actions and interactions. Additionally, we examine the manifestations of their striving for perfection, noting the balance between their desire to reform and the acceptance of imperfection in themselves and others. As we engage with various speakers, we endeavor to provide a comprehensive understanding of the One's journey, emphasizing their inherent warmth and altruism beneath the surface of their idealistic aspirations.

Human Interview: Micky ScottBey Jones - Website

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Lee Fields joins as Lindsey discusses the realization that she was mistyped as a Type Two. This conversation highlights that identifying an Enneagram type is a lot harder than people think, so mistyping can happen. Initially thinking she was a Type Two, Lindsey shares why she thought she fit into this type and how learning that she's in fact a different type has helped her grow as a person.

Lee Fields - Enneagrammatic

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

In our discourse on Enneagram Type Nine, we collectively unpack the layers of the Peacemaker's identity, guided by the insights of my fellow speakers. We begin by defining pivotal terms such as 'type', 'strategy', and 'pattern', which serve as foundational concepts for our exploration. The conversation transitions into examining how Nines often embody a facade of peace while grappling with underlying anxieties and fears. This dichotomy is crucial, as it reveals the struggle for authenticity that many Nines face. Each speaker contributes unique perspectives on the Nine's journey of self-discovery, articulating the balance between maintaining external harmony and asserting personal significance. We also reflect on how Nines may inadvertently suppress their own needs to avoid conflict, ultimately leading to feelings of frustration and invisibility. This episode provides a compelling narrative that underscores the importance of self-acceptance and the courage it takes for Nines to assert their voices within a world that often overlooks them.

• carynberley.com
• Enneagram Invitations
• Enneagram Typecast Podcast
• Somatic Enneagram Podcast

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

This episode delves into the intricate dimensions of the Enneagram Type 8, characterized by its assertive and dynamic nature. We engage in a profound discussion with Mandy Capehart, who shares her personal insights and experiences, illuminating the complexities of navigating grief and power in relation to this type. Mandy, alongside the three esteemed educators from various Enneagram schools, enriches our understanding by articulating how Type 8 individuals embody strength, yet are often misperceived as solely aggressive. Our conversation traverses the nuanced interplay of empathy and directness, revealing how Type 8s can wield their inherent power not merely through control, but through fostering connection and support for others. This episode ultimately serves as an exploration of the transformative potential within Type 8, encouraging listeners to reflect upon their own relationships with power and vulnerability.

mandycapehart.com

Restorative Grief by Mandy Capehart 

TYPE 8

The Narrative Enneagram - type 8

The Enneagram Institute - type8

Awareness to Action - type 8

CENTERS

The Narrative Enneagram - centers

The Enneagram Institute - centers

Awareness To Action - why we don't teach them

WINGS

The Enneagram Institute - wings

The Narrative Enneagram - wings

Awareness to Action - what did you do with the wings?

LINES

Awareness to Action - neglected & support strategies

The Narrative Enneagram - stress & security

The Enneagram Institute - growth & stress

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

The core focus of this episode revolves around the intricate dynamics of the instincts, or instinctual biases within the Enneagram framework, specifically addressing the distinctions between the various schools of thought on this subject. We examine the varying perspectives offered by our esteemed teachers, highlighting how these biases or drives can influence behavior and interpersonal relations, while also considering their implications for personal development. As we engage in this multifaceted conversation, we invite listeners to reflect on their own experiences and observations regarding these instinctual drives, as they are essential in shaping our interactions and self-perceptions. Ultimately, we aim to illuminate the complexities and provide clarity on how the instincts can be harnessed for greater self-awareness and growth.

Resources:

The Narrative Tradition - https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/programs/instincts-subtypes-3/

The Enneagram Institute - https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/how-the-enneagram-system-works/#h-the-three-instincts

Awareness to Action - https://awarenesstoaction.com/our-instinctual-biases-three-patterns-of-attention-and-values-and-how-they-shape-the-way-we-work/

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 1

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 2

IEA Pod: Exploring the Instincts & Subtypes pt 3

Cognitive Bias Resources - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Logical Fallacies - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Science Books

“Behave” by Robert Sapolsky

“Social Chemistry” by Marissa King

7 ½ Lessons About the Brain” by Lisa Feldman Barrett

“The Selfish Gene” by Richard Dawkins

“Basic Instinct: The Genesis of Behavior” by Mark S. Blumberg

“A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century” by Heather Heying and Bret Weinstein

Don't Forget a Huge List of Resources Recommended by Fathoms and Our Teachers!

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Found HERE

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

This podcast episode delves into the rich and complex history of the Enneagram, highlighting its origins and the various schools of thought that have shaped its understanding today. The conversation explores how the Enneagram serves as both a tool for personal growth and a map for navigating human experiences, emphasizing the importance of historical context in shaping contemporary interpretations. Key figures such as Oscar Ichazo, Claudio Naranjo, and the founders of the Riso Hudson Institute are discussed, illustrating their contributions to the Enneagram's development as a personality model. The hosts and guests reflect on the significance of integrating historical narratives with personal experiences, urging listeners to recognize the fluidity and evolving nature of this ancient wisdom. With insights from various experts, this episode encourages a deeper understanding of how historical perspectives inform present practices in the Enneagram community and our daily lives.

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Resources

Podcast Episodes:

• Milo Rossi & Flint Dibble - Bridges Podcast (The Importance of Accurate History)
• The Art of the Unknown - Hidden Brain (History is super complex)
• The Enneagram in the Narrative Tradition - “Spotlights on Helen Palmer”
• Where Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 1 - Mario Sikora
• Where Did the Enneagram Come From Pt 2 - Mario Sikora
• The Dawn of the Enneagram with Russ Hudson - Totem Podcast

Articles:

The Six Enneads

Evagrius Ponticus

George Gurdjieff

Sarmoung Brotherhood

Oscar Ichazo

Claudio Naranjo

The origin of the Enneagram - Claudio Naranjo speaks - June 2010

Letter to the Transpersonal Community - by Claudio Naranjo

Hidden in Plain Sight - Helen Palmer

Mythmaking and the Evolution of the Enneagram of Personality, Part 1 - Mario Sikora

"Nature and Nurture: Acquiring an Enneagram Type,” - Dr. David Daniels

“The Narrative Tradition” - Helen Palmer

The “Levels of Development” - Don Richard Riso

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Awareness to Action

Enneagram on Demand - Certification Program

Mario Sikora: 

IG: @mariosikora

TikTok: @mariosikora

Web: mariosikora.com

Substack: mariosikora.substack.com

Maria Jose Munita: 

IG: @mjmunita

Web: mjmunita.com

Podcasts:

Awareness to Action

Enneagram in a Movie

The Narrative Tradition

Terry Saracino:

Web: https://www.narrativeenneagram.org/team/terry-saracino/

Christopher Copeland:

Web: illuminatingpaths.com

Narrative Podcasts:

Heart of the Enneagram

The Somatic Enneagram

From Armor to Ease

The Enneagram Institute

Gayle Scott:

Email - [email protected]

Michael Naylor:

Web - enneagrammaine.com

You Tube - Enneagram Maine Interviews

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Growth for Unserious Humans

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Help Fathoms, By Supporting Us Here: Fathoms Membership Community

Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Season five of the podcast marks an exciting new chapter as the hosts dive deep into the Enneagram, exploring its nuances through the lens of three primary schools of thought: the Riso Hudson School, the Narrative Enneagram, and the Awareness to Action approach. This season aims to clarify the often-confusing landscape of Enneagram teachings, offering listeners a resource that distinguishes between various interpretations and encourages critical thinking. The hosts, including Creek, Lindsey, and Abram, share personal insights and updates about their lives, emphasizing the importance of curiosity and openness in understanding the complexities of human behavior. Listeners can expect longer, biweekly episodes filled with engaging conversations and opportunities for interaction. With a focus on creating a clear and accessible framework, this season promises to enrich both newcomers and seasoned enthusiasts alike in their Enneagram journey.

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Work for Unserious Humans

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Join us January 16th for our biggest season yet! In true Fathoms form, we'll be diving into EVERYTHING Enneagram! This will be the first and only stop for everyone trying to get a taste of all things Enneagram, from the history, types, and the most important growth! You'll get to hear from legendary teachers, from different schools, your fellow nerds of all walks of life and of course, plenty of cackling and practical content from your hosts, Abram, Lindsey and Creek! Check below for links to stay connected and support so the content can reach as many people as possible!

Thanks to Christian McClain for his use of his incredible song “Older”

Check out his new EP here!

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Work for Unserious Humans

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

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• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Drew's departure from the Fathoms podcast marks a significant transition for everyone involved, as they reflect on the challenges and growth that come with saying goodbye. Throughout the conversation, Drew shares his journey of reinventing himself after losing his job and the emotional complexities that accompany such a change. The team discusses the importance of acknowledging loss and the value of maintaining connections, even when circumstances evolve. They explore how transitions can lead to personal growth and a deeper understanding of one's identity beyond professional roles. As they reminisce about their shared experiences, the group emphasizes gratitude for the influence and camaraderie they’ve built over the years, affirming that while goodbyes can be painful, they also pave the way for new beginnings.

One of Drew's Favorite Episodes: Conversation | Grief, Hope, & Kindness with Leslie Hershberger

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: Serious Work for Unserious Humans

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks

Production/Editing: Liminal Podcasts

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• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Leslie Flood Hershberger joins the Fathoms podcast to discuss the Enneagram and its profound implications on personal development, particularly in the context of navigating the second half of life. The conversation begins with Leslie reflecting on her own journey with the Enneagram, a tool she originally approached to better understand those around her—her family, students, and colleagues. As she delved deeper into the Enneagram, Leslie discovered that the true work lies not merely in categorizing personalities but in fostering a genuine presence and awareness of oneself. This shift from a superficial understanding of the Enneagram to a more intimate exploration of personal growth marks a significant evolution in her practice.

Throughout the episode, Leslie emphasizes the importance of acknowledging the complexities of life transitions, particularly as one ages. She discusses how the second half of life often invites individuals to confront their shadows—the parts of themselves they have repressed or neglected. This process is not just about facing discomfort but also about embracing regrets and recognizing their role as teachers. Leslie draws on her extensive experience, highlighting that the journey is unique for everyone; some may begin their second half of life work in their 30s, while others may not engage with it until much later. The deep emotional and spiritual insights shared by Leslie provide listeners with a framework for understanding their own experiences of growth, loss, and transformation.

The episode culminates in a rich discussion about the three centers of intelligence: the head, heart, and body. Leslie proposes a re-evaluation of how these centers are perceived in relation to the Enneagram, suggesting that the body center, often overlooked, is crucial for understanding our instinctual responses. She argues that true emotional connection can only occur when we ground ourselves in our physical sensations and feelings. This perspective not only deepens the understanding of the Enneagram but also serves as a call to action for listeners to integrate these centers into their personal development practices, highlighting the importance of somatic awareness as a gateway to authenticity and presence.

Takeaways:

• Leslie Flood Hershberger emphasizes that the Enneagram serves as a tool for self-discovery and personal growth throughout various life stages.
• The conversation highlights the importance of integrating emotional awareness into the practice of the Enneagram, especially as one ages.
• Understanding the distinction between emotional experiences and somatic feelings can enhance personal transformation work.
• In the second half of life, individuals are often asked to let go of attachments that no longer serve them, leading to deeper self-awareness.
• Leslie shares insights on how grief and loss profoundly shape one's journey into the second half of life.
• The podcast underscores that shadow work can be a powerful portal for personal growth and healing, revealing hidden aspects of ourselves.

Links referenced in this episode:

• lesliehershberger.com
• enneagramshop.com

Support our podcast:

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