What happens when a peace-seeking Enneagram Nine becomes the voice of one of the most beloved animated characters in children’s television?

Find out as we dive into the world of the Enneagram with special guest Mike Nawrocki, co-creator of VeggieTales and the voice of Larry the Cucumber. In this engaging conversation, we explore the unique traits of Enneagram Nines, known as the Peacemakers.

Mike shares insights from his journey in creating beloved children's content, including his latest project, The Dead Sea Squirrels, which is now a growing book series and animated show. We discuss the motivations behind Nines, their tendency to avoid conflict, and the importance of claiming one's voice and presence in the world.

Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just curious about personality types, this episode offers valuable perspectives on self-awareness, personal growth, and the power of creativity. Don't miss this opportunity to learn more about the Enneagram and how it can enhance your understanding of yourself and others!

ABOUT MIKE NAWROCKI

As co-creator of VeggieTales, co-founder of Big Idea Entertainment, and the voice of Larry the Cucumber, Mike Nawrocki has been dedicated to helping parents pass on biblical values to their kids for over three decades.  Mike is the offbeat brain behind Silly Songs with Larry, and has lent his screenwriting and directing talents to dozens of VeggieTales episodes, as well as both of the properties’ theatrical releases, Jonah and The Pirates Who Don’t Do Anything. His most recent project, an early reader book series entitled The Dead Sea Squirrels, has been adapted into a 13-episode animated series now streaming on Minno, with more books and a season 2 of animation currently in the works. Mike also serves as an assistant professor of film and animation at Lipscomb University in Nashville, TN, and co-hosts the weekly podcast, “The Bible for Kids.” Website: https://mikenawrocki.com/ and Amazon Author PageFollow on: Instagram | Facebook 

What happens when your deep longing to love and be loved gets tangled up with your need to be needed?

In this week’s episode of Typology, Anthony and I sit down with the wonderful Emily Zeller—a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified Enneagram practitioner, and a one-to-one Enneagram Two. Emily brings such honesty and heart as we talk about desire, boundaries, and the tender places in all of us that crave connection.

As we explore the unique energy of the Enneagram Two and unpack the three subtypes—self-preservation, social, and one-to-one—we ask questions we can all sit with: When have you confused being loved with being needed in your own relationships? What would it look like to offer love without trying to earn it in return?

If you’ve ever wrestled with seeking validation, struggled to set boundaries, or simply wanted to understand yourself or a loved one better, you’re going to feel right at home in this conversation. This episode isn’t just for Twos—it’s for anyone longing to grow in self-awareness and bring more compassion and balance to their relationships.

🎧 Listen in and join us as we reflect, laugh, and get real about what it means to be human. And as you listen, consider: where in your life is love inviting you to simply rest and receive?

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Welcome to this enlightening episode of Typology! Join us as we explore the life and journey of Sister Monica Clare, an Enneagram 6 and author of the memoir A Change of Habit: Leaving Behind My Husband, Career, and Everything I Owned to Become a Nun.

In this episode, we explore:

• Sister Monica's experiences growing up in a chaotic environment and how it shaped her Enneagram type.

• The unique challenges and joys of being an Enneagram 6 in a religious community.

• The intersection of spirituality and personality, and how the Enneagram informs her spiritual practices.

• Insights from her journey in Al-Anon and the lessons learned about control and boundaries.

• The role of fear and anxiety in decision-making and how she navigates these feelings in her leadership role.

Sister Monica shares her candid reflections on her path to becoming a nun, the importance of community, and the spiritual practices that ground her amidst uncertainty.

Don't miss this heartfelt conversation filled with wisdom, humor, and inspiration!

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Connect with Sister Monica Clare on TikTok: @nonsenseforthepeople

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In this episode of Typology, we welcome Tracey Gee, an Enneagram 3w2 and author of the new book, The Magic of Knowing What You Want: A Practical Guide to Unearthing the Wisdom of Your Desires.

Tracey shares her journey of discovering the Enneagram in her late 20s while navigating the challenges of vocational ministry and familial expectations. She reflects on how understanding her Enneagram type has transformed her approach to life, particularly in recognizing the difference between societal scripts and her authentic desires.

We dive into the nuances of desire, want, and longing, exploring how these concepts can be intertwined yet distinct. Tracey shares the importance of self-awareness and the role of spiritual practices in uncovering what truly lights us up.

Additionally, we touch on the unique challenges each Enneagram type faces when it comes to understanding their desires, and how to move from confusion to confidence in pursuing what truly matters.

This episode is packed with insights and practical exercises to help you connect with your authentic self.

In this episode of Typology, we welcome Doug Lynam, an Enneagram 3w4 and author of the new book "Taming Your Money Monster: Nine Paths to Money Mastery with the Enneagram." Doug shares his fascinating journey from Marine Corps officer to Benedictine monk and now money manager, exploring how the Enneagram can provide insights into our relationship with money. 

Join us as we dive into the unique "money monsters" associated with each Enneagram type, discussing how childhood narratives shape our financial behaviors and the importance of authenticity in achieving a healthier relationship with money. 

Doug also introduces his innovatie approach that combines the Enneagram with attachment theory, offering practical tools for overcoming financial challenges. 

No matter your type, this episode is packed with valuable insights and humor that will help you understand your financial habits and how to master them. 

Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to change the way you think about money and personal growth. 

• Learn more about Doug at www.douglynam.com
• Grab your copy of Taming Your Money Monster
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In this episode of Typology, I sit down with Chris Janssen, a USA Today best-selling author and board-certified coach, to explore the intersection of the Enneagram, recovery, and personal growth. Chris, an Enneagram 4, shares her journey of sobriety and the insights she gained from her experiences.

Together, we discuss the unique challenges that Enneagram 4s face, particularly in relation to addiction and the feeling of being different. Chris opens up about her struggles with self-acceptance and the importance of grace in the recovery process.

Tune in as we dive into:

• The role of the Enneagram in understanding addiction

• The significance of grace on the recovery journey

• How to navigate criticism and self-worth as a creative

• The power of community in recovery settings

Whether you're familiar with the Enneagram or just starting your journey, this episode offers valuable insights into embracing your true self and finding healing.

Don't forget to check out Chris's new book, "Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want," available wherever books are sold.

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May you have love, joy, peace, healing, and rest. Until next time!

Connect with Chris Janssen here: www.chrisjanssencoaching.com

How do our early stories shape who we become, and what would it look like to embrace healing and grace along the way?

In this heartfelt episode of Typology, we welcome Melanie Shankle, an Enneagram 9 with an 8 wing and author of Here Be Dragons: Treading the Deep Waters of Motherhood, Mean Girls, and Generational Trauma.

Melanie opens up about the impact of a turbulent childhood, the people-pleasing patterns that followed, and what it took for her to confront her past with honesty and compassion. Together, we explore how writing her book became a profound path of self-understanding and generational healing.

Whether you’re reflecting on your own childhood, parenting, or your inner growth as an adult, this honest and hopeful conversation invites you to embrace grace, compassion, and deeper self-awareness.

Tune in and discover that healing often begins when we dare to face the stories we thought we had to hide.

This week on Typology, I sat down with the brilliant and buoyant Margaret Feinberg—author, teacher, and Enneagram 7 with an 8 wing.

We talked about her new book, The God You Need to Know, and what it means to experience the Holy Spirit’s presence—not just in the highs of life, but in the valleys too. Margaret opened up about facing surgery just before her book launch, navigating the exhaustion that comes with being “on” all the time, and how her joy had to be redefined in the midst of cancer.

We also explored how ADHD traits can show up in Enneagram Sevens, what it’s like being married to a Type 5, and how learning to rest isn’t easy when you live in a world that never slows down. Margaret also offered a fresh perspective on the Holy Spirit—not just in the New Testament, but throughout Scripture.

It’s a conversation about joy that makes room for sorrow, faith that’s been through the fire, and a Spirit who meets us in the mess.

As you listen, take a moment to consider:

• What does true rest look like for you?

• Has your understanding of the Holy Spirit grown or shifted over time?

• Can you recall a time when joy and suffering existed side by side in your story?

This week on Typology I had the joy of sitting down with author Hanna Howard, an Enneagram Four with a Five wing. Hanna’s not only the author of the young adult fantasy novel Our Divine Mischief, but also a great example of how our Enneagram type shapes the stories we tell — on paper and in life.

We talk about what sets a 4w5 apart — that mix of emotional depth and intellectual curiosity. While a 4w3 may lean toward image and achievement, Hanna shares how her Five wing draws her inward, toward reflection, research, and a rich world of ideas.

Hanna opens up about her lifelong search for authenticity — that familiar Four longing to feel significant — and shares a moment from her college years when a single line from Twelfth Night put words to that ache for belonging.

Of course, we talk about Our Divine Mischief — Hanna’s alternate-history fantasy set in a magical version of Scotland. At its core, it’s a story about belonging, something every Four knows well, complete with a wish-granting dog (yes, really).

It’s a rich conversation about creativity, personality, and the longing we all carry to belong. I hope you enjoy it. And if you’re looking for a beautiful read, check out Our Divine Mischief.

🎧 Listen wherever you get your podcasts. And as always — stay curious.

In this episode of the Typology Podcast, we dive deep into the art of conflict resolution with our special guest, James Ginn, author of the new book How to Get Along with Anyone: The Playbook for Predicting and Preventing Conflict at Work and at Home.

Join us as we explore the five distinct conflict styles: Avoiders, Competitors, Collaborators, Accommodators, and Analyzers. James shares insights on how these typologies influence our reactions during conflicts and how understanding them can lead to better relationships both at work and at home.

We discuss:

• The three types of conflict: task, process, and relational.

• How to identify your own conflict style and triggers.

• Practical strategies for navigating conflicts with different personality types.

• The importance of emotional intelligence in resolving disputes.

Whether you're a conflict resolution specialist or someone who simply wants to improve your interpersonal relationships, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable advice.

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Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:10 - Meet James Ginn 00:53 - Understanding the Enneagram and conflict styles 02:08 - Identifying your conflict style 02:35 - The three types of conflict 04:20 - Communication preferences in conflict 05:42 - How to approach conflict resolution 10:01 - The role of emotional triggers 11:50 - Tone of communication in conflict 20:22- The importance of assessing conflict situations 30:58 - Final thoughts on conflict resolution and Enneagram types

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