In this episode, we interview Jessica Dickson. Jessica is an enneagram teacher and host of the Antiracist Enneagram Podcast. Jessica’s wisdom on socialization and its impact on the enneagram is profound. Enjoy! 

2:35 A bit about Jessica’s work with clients

3:30 A bit about Jessica’s podcast: The Antiracist Enneagram Podcast

6:30 Coco, Encanto, and being human

8:50 The concept of socialization and its impact

19:30 The nervous system and the enneagram

21:20 How to help others become aware of their socialization

24:45 The difference between being a White person and Whiteness

29:45 Socialization and the challenge of enneagram typing

36:30 An embodied way forward 

Follow Jessica’s work: https://jessicaddickson.com/ & on insta: @jessicadickson

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Reflections | Culture & the Enneagram

Today we’re debriefing our last two episodes on the overlays of culture and the enneagram, sharing what we learned, and setting up what’s coming next in season 4! 

0:40 Why we aren’t a morning show

2:33 What surprised us about our conversations with Maria Jose and Chin Ai. 

8:47 Contemplating the interplay between cultural influences and enneagram style

13:47 What’s next in our exploration of dynamics of personhood? What are our hopes for you and for ourselves as we continue together? 

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram

• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram

• Follow Creek: @_creekmore

• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram

• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

In this interview, we interview enneagram teacher Chin Ai Oh. Chin Ai lives and words in Malaysia and has a lot of wisdom to share on expanding our cultural fluency when using the enneagram.

2:00 Who is Chin Ai? 

4:00 The last time Chin Ai ate Durian. 

6:00 Chin Ai’s enneagram origin story

10:45 How Chin Ai integrates the enneagram into her career working in FinTech

14:40 Differences working with the enneagram in North America vs. Malaysia

19:20 What North Americans get wrong about the enneagram

21:05 Chin Ai’s type and her cultural overlays

25:40 A few specific examples of her type and culture

28:30 Chin Ai’s culture and her type’s lines to type 9 and type 6

33:45 Chin Ai’s experience as a young female in Malaysian corporate culture

37:55 Chin Ai’s experience as a young Malaysian female in the United States

42:30 How can we use the enneagram in a more unifying fashion? 

Follow Chin Ai’s work: @ennethistogether [https://www.instagram.com/ennethistogether/]

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Maria Jose Munita - @mjmunita

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @_creekmore
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

In this conversational episode, Abram, Creek, and Lindsey discuss the prototype, archetype, and stereotype expressions of personality, and how it connects to our Season 4 theme: dynamics of personhood. 

12:45 Prototype - What comes to mind, what we mean

14:10 Archetype - What comes to mind, what we mean

17:45 Stereotype - What we mean & how it harms. 

22:10 Thoughts on avoiding stereotypes

27:40 On the pitfalls on relying on subtypes & wings too heavily

30:30 What do we practically do with this? 

38:45 The concepts of apophatic and cataphatic

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. We hope you love this season as much as we do. Thanks for coming along with us!

Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram

Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram

Follow Creek: @_creekmore

Follow Drew: @typetrailhead

Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Season Four is here, friends! We are so excited to share these beautiful, vulnerable, and inspiring conversations with you. This season is tapping into something really special in our hearts, challenging us to grow profoundly. Here's a teaser to get you hyped about what's in store! We hope you love this season as much as we do.Thanks for coming along with us!

Song: "King's Castle" by Kazi Jay

Kazi: @kazi.jay

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Quotes to Uncover the Layers (Part 2)

Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm

Bonus: Quotes to Uncover the Layers [Part 1]

In this bonus episode of Fathoms, Lindsey & the Seths talk about Abram’s recent Instagram series [@IntegratedEnneagram] on quotes for each type to uncover the layers of our personality. Abram shares the quote and then the hosts share how that quote resonates with their own type structures. They hosts also try to impersonate Drew…and fail miserably. 

5:20 Type 1 quote

10:21 Type 2 quote

19:00 Type 3 quote

26:15 Type 4 quote

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

• Follow us on Instagram: @fathoms.enneagram
• Follow Abram: @integratedenneagram
• Follow Creek: @creekmoremusic
• Follow Drew: @typetrailenneagram
• Follow Lindsey: @lindseyfaithdm