Conversational Selling

About Umar Hameed: Umar Hameed aka Mr. Breakthrough is the CEO of No Limits Selling, a professional training and coaching company that specializes in improving the sales performance of realtors and other sales professionals. They use the latest insights from neuroscience and NLP to help realtors break through their limitations and perform at a higher level. Umar is a keynote speaker, an author, and a Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) performance coach. Umar distinguishes himself from other consultants and trainers with his extensive track record and diverse skill set. With over 25 years of experience as a successful business and sales consultant, coupled with more than 13 years of expertise in utilizing Neuroscience, NLP, and Hypnosis to effect behavioral changes, Umar brings a unique perspective to his work. Renowned as a keynote speaker at conferences held in 14 countries, he shares his insights and knowledge with audiences worldwide. Additionally, Umar is an accomplished author, having penned three books, including the acclaimed "Unleash Your Crazy Sexy Brain!". Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Umar.

In this episode, Nancy and Umar discuss the following:

• Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) and its role in sales training
• The concept of mindset and its significance in sales success
• The reasons why some salespeople fail to reach their potential
• The importance of discovering one's authentic self in sales
• The role of fear and childhood experiences in shaping behavior
• The use of hypnosis to overcome mental barriers in sales
• Strategies for building a resilient sales mindset
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Key Takeaways: 

• What NLP is about and how to use your mindset differently.
• The reason most salespeople don't reach their potential is they don't ascertain or discover their true selves.
• Our conscious mind says: “No, we don't want to do that, that's scary”. And the unconscious mind is like: “I can do anything”!
• Look at people, especially the one that drives you crazy, and learn and utilize that to become better and thank them for it.

" Mindset is very much how we see the world because there is no such thing as reality. So how do we get that perception? It's from our life experiences, and how we see the world. So, let's say, Nancy, for example, you thought that everybody that interacts with you wants to work with you. Let's say that was your belief. Let's say it was a lie, but if you really believed it, you're going to show up in a way that would be expectant of people to want to interact with you. And you know what? People would start doing that because you show up in that way. And if I went into the same meeting and my belief was nobody wants to do business with me, or we're too small a company, then of course, people wouldn't ask and I'd answer questions in a stumbling, bumbling way, not on purpose, but at an unconscious level. So yeah, mindset is how we perceive the world and the meanings we make out of it. And so, the sales mindset is the same, right? It's how we perceive the world. And one of the elements you'll be shocked to hear, Nancy, is our beliefs around money have a huge impact on how well we do in sales." – UMAR

"Number one, you know who you are, and you know what you want so you get clarity on what you want to achieve in your sales career. Number two is you get confidence, like a massive amount of confidence that allows you, because your clients are going to borrow your confidence in your product and in yourself to go, I should make this decision. Then you need grit, so you do not give up. That allows you to keep on going, so when the person says no, three times in a row, you still handle the objection. You're not trying to be pushy and force them, but you also don't want them to miss out. And the last component is passion, which is more contagious than COVID. And if you can know your authentic self, you've got those four elements, clarity, confidence, grit, and passion. That's how you reach your potential. And that's what we teach, how to change your mindset. So, you figure that stuff out and it doubles your sales, not because we teach you any new techniques, is because you use the techniques you already know in a bolder, purposeful way. And I'm going to preach here just for a second, Nancy, that whatever you believe, let's label it God. You will put here on earth to shine. And oftentimes when we're babies, we shine so brightly. And then when life's experiences, we get a sense of I'm not good enough, people don't like me. And then we pull our punches, and we start living a smaller life. And that's not why you were put here. The reason you need to shine, Nancy, is because there are people in your life, your colleagues, your family, your community, that once they see you shine, it permits them to do so as well. So, when we live smaller lives, we're injuring people that we love around us." – UMAR

"Fear is the biological imperative that when we're about to do something new, something scary, fear comes up. And the reason fear comes up is not to stop you. When you're in the mode of fear, your reaction time is the fastest. You are stronger. You don't feel pain when you get injured. It's all the things that you need to be successful. But in our lives, we've been trained when fear comes up, and go in the opposite direction. Don't do that scary thing. Biology is giving us the tools we need to go do it." – UMAR

Connect with Umar Hameed:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/umarhameed/
• No Limits Selling:https://nolimitsselling.com/one-on-one-coaching-resolve-any-issue/

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About Colleen Francis: Colleen Francis is an award-winning speaker, consultant and bestselling author who helps leading businesses achieve dramatic increases in their sales results. A successful sales leader for over 20 years, she understands the particular challenges of selling in today’s competitive market, and that business leaders can no longer rely on approaches to sales based on techniques from decades ago—or even last year. Colleen doesn’t believe in the old-school mentality that only 20% of a sales team hit their sales targets. She says, that in today’s modern selling era, we should expect 100% of the sales teams to hit 100% of the quota. Colleen works with business and sales leaders to synergize the sales DNA of the organization to seize market opportunities. Whether designing a strategy to target a new market or working with a team to improve its productivity, Colleen's results have attracted clients such as Merck, Abbott, Merrill Lynch, Royal Bank, Dow, Adecco, Trend Micro, NCR, Chevron, and thousands of other global organizations. Her latest book, Right on the Money: New Principles for Bold Growth, provides readers with a proven, realistic game plan to redraw maps for sales and marketing in a topsy-turvy world. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Colleen.

In this episode, Nancy and Colleen discuss the following:

• Challenges of selling in today's market
• Importance of organizational structure and flexibility in sales processes
• Effective sales questions: Open-ended and closed-ended questions 
• The evolution of selling practices due to technological advancements
• The impact of COVID-19 on selling practices
• The evolution of prospecting methods and the importance of utilizing different marketing channels to reach prospects

Key Takeaways: 

• We need to be open, we have to be easy to buy from and talk to.
• it's not a question of whether you do virtual or whether you like it, it's how your clients are operating and how can you best have a conversation with them in the mode of communication that they want.
• Prospecting is much easier as well than it ever used to be because we have so many other sources.

"I think one of the biggest challenges that we are facing in today's market is this massive demographic shift and lack of workers. So, reductions in workforce because there aren't people, we just aren't as populous as we used to be, have two or three major effects on us as salespeople. One, it's going to force companies to keep increasing their quotas because they're going to have to grow and they're not going to be able to find salespeople. So, we're going to have to learn how to be more effective at what we do by combining, you know, virtual and in-person and all those kinds of things. Two, it puts pressure on our buyers because there are fewer of them, right? And they're doing more work. They're doing, they have more jobs. And so we're gonna continue in this buying environment where it's risky, people are scared to make decisions, they lack experience making decisions, they have 18 other jobs to do so they don't have time to make decisions. So, I think that those, that one challenge in the marketplace is going to drive a bunch of challenges that we have as salespeople." – COLLEEN

"So critical mass influence in my belief in selling is that we build the best client relationships when we have a very broad reach, high, low, you know, East-West, right? Critical mass influence is about building that so that people, so you're easy to find, you're easy to buy from, and everybody feels like they know you. So, it's about using multiple types of media. So, whether it be social media, if we want to call it that, LinkedIn, your email, blogs, all those kinds of media, and reaching out to everybody that is related or potentially related to your customer. You know, Nancy, years ago, there was an ad on TV, if you remember, and I think it was for Clarell, and it was that I told two friends, and they told two friends, and so on and so on and so on and so on. Yeah, right. This is sort of the modern version of that because people are so important to the sales process, including people you will never meet. And so we have to get to our buyers, our influencers, our stakeholders. We must figure out a way to get our message to the people whom our buyers, influencers, and stakeholders might be listening to onto the platforms that they might be reading. And we also need to get everyone in our organization to do that. It's not just a sales responsibility. It's a marketing responsibility. It's customer service, its operations, it's finance.” – COLLEEN

“First of all, we have to have a combination of open-ended and closed-ended questions because that's how a conversation flows naturally. I encourage salespeople to not be afraid of a closed-ended question because it will help you direct the conversation one way or the other depending on where it needs to be. We also must be comfortable being curious, asking the question, why? Why do you feel that way? Why are you saying that? What do you mean? Those kinds of questions so that we can get people talking about the real reason why they're making those statements. The third thing is, from a tactical perspective, we have to ask short questions. So, I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but salespeople will often fall into the habit, and I think this is a conversation breaker, where they ask the question, explain the question, answer the question, and then ask a whole entirely different question without taking a breath. And the poor prospect is, it is, it's terrible. Multi-pronged questions, I call them. Whereas if you ask a short question, you're going to get a long answer. And so, I think that's another way to ask effective questions." – COLLEEN

Connect with Colleen Francis:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/colleenfrancis/
• Engage Selling Solutions: https://www.engageselling.com/

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About Tracy Beavers: Tracy Beavers is the founder of Tracy Beavers Coaching, where she helps business owners ditch the overwhelming burden of business ownership. She crafts a clear roadmap of action steps and creative solutions to get clients from where they are to where they want to be. Gain clarity. Gain focus. Keep your sanity. For 12 years, she worked as a claims investigator for an insurance company, which provided valuable insights into human behavior under stress. She gained expertise in navigating complex and painful situations, coaching individuals through challenges, and identifying their next steps. Combining this experience with her marketing education, she has transformed her passion into a business focused on helping people. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Tracy.

In this episode, Nancy and Tracy discuss the following:

• Exploring why entrepreneurs and individuals fear sales
• Tracy's method of selling without explicitly selling
• The importance of building genuine connections and relationships
• Finding authenticity and ease in entrepreneurship
• The importance of community for entrepreneurs

Key Takeaways: 

• Everybody is fearful of sales.
• Looking at their entire business structure, I can determine their needs.
• I believe in building a business with authenticity and with ease.
• We'll never get started if we put too much pressure on ourselves out of the gate to have something perfect or all the bells and whistles with it.

"When you first start a business, or maybe you're a year or so in, there is a lot of overwhelm that comes with it because you start the business with a passion for doing something. Let's say it's helping women with health and wellness, or like me, I'm a business and sales coach. Then you find yourself being the chief cook and bottle washer, learning the tech, building the website, building the courses, and spending all the plates and doing everything, which feels like a lot. And so, what I like to do with my clients is talk to them about their business, get a very solid look at the framework of it." – TRACY

"Selling without selling is a style I created over my years of experience because I would have people come to me and ask me routinely, how are you so successful in sales? You know, how do you gain market share so easily? And the way I do this is through the selling without selling method. My approach is to take the sales out of the equation. I want my clients and students to take the word sell or sales completely out of their language, out of their brain, and park it. And then we're going to show up as our best selves. We will look for opportunities to make true human connections with other humans who want to make a true connection. And then we're going to see where the conversation leads. Because in sales, it's not, not always about me. The next person I meet will want to buy something from me.Rather, my approach is the next person I meet I want to see where the relationship goes. They could be an ideal client for me, but they could also be my next best collaboration partner and open up, open, and introduce me to their entire audience. They could also be my next best referral source. " – TRACY

"The biggest thing that I will say that I want everybody to remember and audience lean in when I say this being an entrepreneur is freaking hard. You cannot go it alone. It is a roller coaster of emotion. People that are, it doesn't matter if you're on day one, day five, or year 15, and you're making $80 million a year. Everybody feels imposter syndrome creep in, everybody feels doubt, everybody feels afraid, and the people who aren't willing to talk about it are just not telling you the truth. And so, what I highly recommend for everybody is to find a community of support, even if it's a free community." – TRACY

Connect with Tracy Beavers:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracy-beavers-b650449/
• Tracy Beavers Coaching:https://www.tracybeavers.com/

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About Lisa Scotto: Lisa Scotto is the founder of LMS Growth Consulting, a Business Development Strategy company, and a Co-Founder of Your Cohort, women founded fractional C-suite executive team. Lisa brings to the table 20+ years of sales and marketing acumen, working for some of the largest entertainment and media brands. Past experiences include operationalizing an alternative revenue model for Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts, developing custom products at Crain Communications and the World Economic Forum, and initiating the sales and sponsorship team at Superfly X. Additionally, she has spent half of her career working at the Walt Disney Company in various sales and marketing roles.Philosophically, Lisa approaches sales as a discipline and believes that good salespeople don't just sell - they add value. She is passionate about working with teams that are open to new ways of addressing growth challenges and are committed to driving results through collaborative, forward-thinking approaches.Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Lisa.

In this episode, Nancy and Lisa discuss the following:

• The importance of focusing on the big picture in sales strategies
• Sales as a discipline: consistency and adding value
• Research-driven approach to identifying prospect pain points
• Sales preparation as a key to success in sales
• Lisa's journey from selling popcorn at Disney to consulting
• Transitioning from corporate roles to entrepreneurship during the pandemic
• Sales as relationship-building through meaningful conversations
• Intentionality in prospecting calls: planning and adaptability
• Lifelong learning and ongoing training in sales effectiveness
• Crafting high-power questions to make sales calls more engaging

Key Takeaways: 

• I think in most organizations people do their day-to-day tasks and they're not thinking about how this connects to the larger picture.
• I rely on extensive research, and this is not just a quick Google search five minutes before the meeting.
• My strengths naturally align with sales.
• Whoever's asking the questions is in control.

"I do believe sales is a discipline in the sense that to have results, you need to show up consistently. And I like to use a gym as a reference, right? You don't roll up to the gym one day and decide to lift 250 pounds. You must sort of show up every day or every four days a week, right, over a consistent amount of time for you to build that strength and to build that muscle, right? So that requires discipline. Just like sales, you can't roll up to a client meeting without having done your research, without understanding what the client’s problem is. How can my specific service or product help with that problem? And I believe to be good at sales, you need to develop that as a discipline, right? You have to do that hard work, week in and week out to see the results because you never know which call or which prospect or which meeting is going to be fruitful, right? You must plant all the seeds, but you don't know which ones will be fruitful in the end." – LISA

"I like to really try to leave no stone unturned and uncover where there might be opportunities. So, I'll give you an example. Let's say I'm pitching a Fortune 100 company, and they just had their annual meeting. I might take the time to review the video of the annual meeting and really understand what is the CEO talking about, right? What is the senior-most leadership team talking about and does that relate to my product or service, right? […] And then try to relate that to my product or service. Another tip that I've done that actually scored me a fantastic meeting with a large organization was I looked at various job openings at a company and mapped based on the roles that they were hiring that they could use my product at the time, right, and scored a meeting with the senior level leadership team.So, it's almost, again, with the lens of adding value, I think your research must go deeper than just rudimentary. It does really need to dig deeper so that you can best understand the client, where they're coming from, what's the conversation going on in their organizations." – LISA

"There's this sort of idea that in the past, we went to school and then our school chapter was completed, then we went to work, right? And that was sort of the progression of adult life. You went to school, then you went to work, and then that was sort of where your learning started and ended. Nowadays, there's so much opportunity for people to learn, and not just about a function or, you know, a specific industry. There is an opportunity to learn across different industries and across functions. And I think that ultimately makes you a better salesperson, right? Like if again, if you could connect dots that other people aren't connecting for clients, that's the gold right there." – LISA

Connect with Lisa Scotto:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lspommerening/
• LMS Growth Consulting: https://lmsgrowthconsulting.com/
• Sales Glow Up: YouTube Link

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• Twitter:https://twitter.com/oneofakindsales
• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/One-Of-A-Kind-Sales-304978633264832/
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• Phone: 908-879-2911 
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncalabrese/
• Email: [email protected]
  
   

About Julie Barlow and Jean-Benoît Nadeau: Julie Barlow and Jean-Benoit Nadeau are the award-winning and bestselling authors of The Story of French, The Story of Spanish, and the bestselling Sixty Million Frenchmen Can't Be Wrong. Julie Barlow is the author of 8 nonfiction books. In 2023, Julie published a comprehensive guide to self-employment with her husband and writing partner, Jean-Benoit Nadeau. GOING SOLO: Everything You Need to Start Your Business and Succeed as Your Own Boss, with Jean-Benoît Nadeau, drawing on the couple's three decades of experience as freelance writers. Born in Sherbrooke, Quebec, and a political science graduate of McGill University, Jean-Benoît Nadeau once held a job for 29 days and has been self-employed for 35 years. A regular reporter and columnist for L'actualité (Canada's leading national French magazine), he has also been a past contributor to the Report on Business Magazine. He has signed papers for various American, Canadian, and French publications. His freelancer status has allowed him to live in various venues like Phoenix, Toronto, Paris, and Montreal and undertake radio, film, and book projects, some of which with his spouse and partner Julie Barlow. They currently work as journalists based in Canada. He also published "The Story of French," "The Story of Spanish," and "The Bonjour Effect: The Secret Codes of French Conversation Revealed. " Their books have been translated into French, Dutch, Mandarin, and Japanese. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Julie and Jean-Benoît.

In this episode, Nancy, Julie, and Jean discuss the following:

• Writers' transition from a creative role to the business aspect
• The key messages in "Going Solo"
• Working more hours vs. thinking differently
• The importance of understanding the client's expectations and needs
• The value of negotiating on multiple levels simultaneously
• The significance of saying "no" as a critical term in negotiations
• Constructive refusal tips: polite ways to decline offers

Key Takeaways:

• I'm a writer and a creator, but I'm also a business person, and I realized that I was the hierarchical equal of my client.
• You won't earn more if you work more; you'll earn more if you think things differently.
• The important thing that you do when you want to go solo is to understand your purpose and to love what you want to do.
• You immediately have intellectual property whenever you write something definite and not a list.

"The book is really for anybody who wants to start a business. But we're working from experience and maybe addressing more people in the creative field. Mind you, starting a business is creative, period. And I think one of the issues probably applies to all entrepreneurs. You know, you want to do something, be self-employed, and work from your passion. And then you very quickly must understand that it's a business. And it's hard for people to switch from being passionate about something to being business-like. And so, the book takes everybody through from the very beginning, writing your business plan through negotiation and operations and management and all the things you need to understand to make your passion make a living for you." – JULIE

"It depends on whom you sell. Sometimes, the market that you have is very small. In effect, when we're magazine writers like us, we sell to about five or six publications. A lot of people publish these publications. But the person we must convince, the gatekeeper, is the editor-in-chief. And so, in that case, convincing them is putting together what we call the ingredients of a good idea, what's in it for them, what's so special about it. Sometimes, we have clients who are completely unknown to us. Some people want us to write a book on them. And so, in that case, most of the selling is just teaching the person how our business works because they have no clue. And if we do a good job there, we will have a client that will understand better where they will evolve." – JEAN

"The book is about communication, particularly understanding your client's expectations and needs. So, for instance, we have people who want writing projects who don't really understand what involved the time and the work and what is involved in putting together some writing. So, part of our job is finding out how much they understand. And it's important to do that work sort of upstream from signing a contract with somebody and because it's all going to figure into how much you charge for it." – JULIE

"I would say that you will quickly be busy once you have your business going. A very important thing is figuring out your purpose. Julie alluded to that. But you know, if you start a school for social dancing, you're not going to make all the hundreds of little decisions, whether your purpose is to start a franchise of school dancing or have your clients win the Olympics of social dancing or create a shoe for social dancing. You will not choose your clients in the same way as your venue, and you won't publicize in the same way. So, the idea of having a purpose, which is what you are doing this for, is very important. It's the essence of a business plan, which is not a 200-page document but a really, really a document about yourself. And knowing thyself better is the old Socrates motto, really applies to self-employed people." – JEAN

Connect with Julie Barlow and Jean-Benoît Nadeau:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliebarlow/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jean-benoit-nadeau/
• Website: https://nadeaubarlow.com/

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• Phone: 908-879-2911
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncalabrese/
• Email: [email protected]

About Hilary Swan: Hilary Swan is the Founder and Principal Consultant at Rebel Scout Consulting, which supports founders and CEOs without a sales leader during growth or transition as a fractional VP of sales/sales leader. Hilary has spent 14 years working for global sales organizations and has carried the bag, launched new products, led sales teams, and knows what good looks like and how to get you there. The wildly competitive culture of sales is where Hilary thrived, and this proved to be accurate as she hustled her way through the ranks and reached sales leadership, where she most recently led a $18M business over three divisions in one of the country's most competitive industries and markets. Hilary has had a burning desire to feed her entrepreneurial spirit and coveted passion for developing people to win every step of the way. Still, she didn't quite know how to share her wealth of knowledge and expertise until now. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Hilary.

In this episode, Nancy and Hilary discuss the following:

• Hilary's background and motivation for starting Rebel Scout Consulting
• The concept of fractional sales leadership and how it supports startups and small businesses
• Supporting startups and small businesses in the absence of sales teams
• The importance of embracing sales as a positive force
• The positive nature of sales

Key Takeaways:

• I do not engage with any company for under three months, ideally six months.
• In the majority of startups and small businesses, all the sales are typically made by the founder or, in small business cases, the president or CEO of the company.
• I had always wanted to do something on my own.
• It's interesting how you can be fueled by the sales piece and the environment in which you sell.

"I was in inside and outside sales, selling many different things. I was in sales leadership. I'd always wanted to do something on my own. I'm not surrounded by a ton of entrepreneurs or people who own their own businesses per se, but I was always so intrigued by it. So, I had been approached about a head of sales role with a startup, which was not right for me then. But it really got me researching what this all looks like in the startup world and where these people get the money. Do they make money? How many of these ideas are good? The failure rates are high. So, I had a, you know, cautionary risk. I researched, but I felt like I hit a crossroads. So, the company that I was working for at the time had been acquired, and I should have been very appreciative because I was going to be moving into a new leadership role, which was a bit of a promotion on paper. I was so not inspired by it. I just, the thought of having to continue to do this or do something in this role was just not, you know, lighting the fire. And so, I felt like this was the time. This is a clean cut to jump two feet in. For those who dabble in starting something while they have a full-time role, it doesn't work for me personally. And so, I felt it was very clear that you have this job opportunity in front of you, and you should be so excited. It's more money, more responsibility, a bigger role, and I couldn't be less excited. I felt like that was my sign just to rip the bandaid off and do it. And so, I did it. And thankfully, it is working out very well. But yeah, it takes a lot to do that step." – HILARY

"The fractional model is, I don't want to say it's not new, but it's on the newer side and exactly what it sounds like. It's a fraction, so you're getting a fraction of the time of an executive or a leadership. So, what it really should feel like is for startups and small businesses, they're getting what they need. So, this is across many different specialties. You'll see operations HR. You'll see the Chief of Staff. And so, what it is that you're getting that team member for, to be honest, is also a fraction of the cost likely. And you need their expertise and their membership on your executive team. But having most of these roles filled costs a lot of money. So, what is not better than to tap somebody at a fractional? Engagement where you don't have to bring them on as a W-2 or with the health benefits or 401k. It really is, and I know consulting is in the name of my business, but it's not the consultant in the traditional sense of projects; they do all the stuff and then leave. You really, really should feel like you have a team member on your team with this fractional leader." – HILARY

"We're all in sales, and that is okay. That's a great thing. So, the faster you can embrace that and feel comfortable with how to interact with people so that you can get across to them how you can help and serve them with whatever you're selling or doing, the better it will be. So lean into it. It's a positive thing." – HILARY

Connect with Hilary Swan:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hilarynswan/
• Rebel Scout Consulting: https://www.rebelscout.co/

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About Beate Chelette: Beate Chelette is the Growth Architect and Founder of The Women's Code and provides visionaries and leaders with proven strategies, blueprints, and growth maps that provide clear steps to improve business systems, strengthen leadership skills and teams so that our clients and audiences can maximize profits and scale their impact. Beate is known as a straight shooter, and she can inspire, empower, and overcome adversity. Her super skill is working with unique personalities and big thinkers and building executable systems. A first-generation immigrant with $135,000 in debt as a single parent, Beate bootstrapped her passion for photography into a global business that licensed content in 79 countries. She exited in a multimillion-dollar deal when she sold the company to Bill Gates. She is listed among the "Top 100 Global Thought Leaders" by PeopleHum and "One of 50 Must Follow Women Entrepreneurs" by HuffPost. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Beate.

In this episode, Nancy and Beate discuss the following:

• Meaning of "Happy Woman, Happy World"
• Three essential elements for becoming an authority in one's field
• Beate's insights on strategically growing authority as an expert, seeking recommendations
• Common mistakes hindering leaders from expedited authority growth and how to avoid them
• The role of mindset in achieving success
• Experience selling a business to Bill Gates

Key Takeaways:

• Your strategy must align with your market and your unique expertise.
• Failure isn't personal; it's an opportunity to reassess and pivot.
• Your understanding of the problem isn't always the actual problem.
• Mindset isn't about wishful thinking; it's about decisive action.

"When we take care of our women who are the mothers to our children, who are the responsible gender for the preservation of the human race, the nurturers, the first thing a child sees when it's born, if we take care of women, the world is probably in a much better place." – BEATE

"A lot of times when people talk about: "I want to be successful. I want to be an authority". They're unclear about what authority means or have a strategy to become an authority. Let's investigate that an authority is not a celebrity or an influencer. An authority is a subject matter expert. Most of us are not celebrities. Most of us are not influencers we might want to be, but most of us are experts in what we do. Authority building is specific to your expertise. People often get wrong about this because they look at what other people are doing and promising, especially in the internet marketing world. Then, they are not sure why their TikTok videos are not going viral because TikTok is often used for a particular audience. So, if you are an authority with a particular audience that might not be on TikTok, then you can do whatever you want on TikTok, but it'll never take hold as an authority. So, you have to have a strategy in place that is very specific to who you are, what you want to achieve." – BEATE

"In the actual studies of mindset, the objective is it's not wishing, and it's not dreaming. It's deciding this is what I'm going to do. Then, take action and allow God's birth, the universe, whatever you want to call it, to put the right things in front of you because the path is never what you think it is. A higher power always determines the path. Otherwise, we all be successful, but most people think they know best. We don't. We can decide, but we need to let energy spirit guide us in the direction because we have control over our vibration, not how we get there. We keep making the decisions that we believe get us there. And then, as things happen and unfold, my path has never been exactly as I thought it would be. My path has been completely different. And yet I have gotten to places that I never thought I could get." – BEATE

Connect with Beate Chelette:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/beatechelette/?locale=de_DE
• The Growth Architect: https://beatechelette.com/
• What's Your Talent Worth?: https://quiz.whatsyourtalentworth.com/sf/c666d9e3

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• Twitter:https://twitter.com/oneofakindsales
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• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncalabrese/
• Email: [email protected]

About April Adams Pertuis: April Adams Pertuis is the visionary Founder and CEO of LIGHTbeamers, helping mission-driven leaders and entrepreneurs discover their inherent ability to reach people by teaching them how to share their stories so they can create deeper connections and build strategic relationships. When April speaks, audiences discover the power of their own story to create more cohesive communities, build stronger relationships, and attract ideal outcomes. The key message is always "everybody has a story," which is a powerful beacon used to shine a light on others. April is also a #1 Bestselling Author of 3 compilation books: Elevate Your Voice, Step Into Your Brave, and Shine Your Light, and a host of the top-rated (top 2 %) Podcast, The Inside Story with April Adams Pertuis in 4th year of weekly production. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about April.

In this episode, Nancy and April discuss the following:

• April's expertise in storytelling across various platforms
• LightBeamers: the origin of her company name
• Methodology behind crafting a compelling story
• Significance of storytelling in business and its impact on audience engagement
• Challenges people face in sharing their stories
• "Little" stories vs. "Big" traumatic stories

Key Takeaways:

• We learn by listening to other people's stories and how they navigated their choppy waters.
• There is a natural, magical way to share that story in a way that will be light. There are light beamers.
• You're human, and nobody wants to do business with robots.
• In the digital age of AI, we will do a lot of business with robots in the future.

"It's innate in who we are and how we're designed as human beings that storytelling resonates. We tend to learn through storytelling. This is why storytelling has been around since the beginning of time. We can date it back to the caveman days, and that's how they communicated. They documented their existence by painting in the caves and telling a story. And so, stories do just that, right? They help document our existence. We've come a long way since the caveman days, and storytelling is very sophisticated. There are many ways we can utilize storytelling in our communication. We have unlimited ways to do that now in the digital age that we live in. But at the end of the day, it's still just about connecting with another human being and using storytelling to show that we are all kind of alike." – APRIL

"The number one soft skill that most business owners overlook or disregard altogether. And it's what it is really like. I call it a secret weapon in business. This relates to sales, building an audience, and connecting with future and potential clients and existing clients storytelling; we can go so much further with our businesses if we incorporate more storytelling. What performs well on social media is when people, businesses, and the humans behind the business show up and tell real stories. It's not the marketing, it's not the sales pages, it's not even the beautifully crafted testimonials, although testimonials are a form of storytelling. It's just the human being a human. And so, I always say storytelling is going to be the thing that humanizes your business and will allow you to be seen differently than all the other fish in the water because it will make you unique. This is especially important right now in the world that we're entering with AI because AI cannot reproduce your story. So we're going to be bombarded, we are already being bombarded, and I think there's a place for AI; I'm not poo-pooing it, but we need to be careful not just to use AI, we need to use AI and use storytelling, and when you use storytelling, you're going to be able to infuse your personality, your own set of values kind of what you stand for, your flavor, you know, your personality. And that will help create conversions in your sales and your conversations; it's going to bring more people to you and into your audience. It's going to increase your engagement. All those things that we're all looking for as business owners." – APRIL

"I'm a big fan of video because you're hearing my voice right now on the podcast. You don't broadcast anywhere on video. So you won't find me on video listening to this episode. But even just the voice, you can hear my voice and the intonation and the way I have inflection. But if you were to see me on video right now, number one, you would see my face. You will see what I look like. You would see my hand gestures because I'm quite animated when I talk, and I use my hands a lot. And I smile, right? I smile, or if I'm feeling something emotional, I might show a little more emotion in my face. And that allows, as human beings, it allows a visual clue as to who we are as people." – APRIL

Connect with April Adams Pertuis:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lightbeamers/
• Lightbeamers: https://www.lightbeamers.com/

Try Our Proven, 3-Step System, Guaranteeing Accountability and Transparency that Drives RESULTS by clicking on this link: https://oneofakindsales.com/call-center-in-a-box/   

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About Craig Lowder: Craig Lowder is a Founder and President of the Main Spring Sales Group, a specialized client acquisition consultancy focused on creating significant, predictable, and sustainable sales growth for successful Financial Advisors, Consultants, and Business Leaders, making a 6-7 Figure Income seeking a strategic senior-level sales executive on a part-time, contract basis to develop and execute sales strategy, including sales process development, performance management systems, and ensure sales execution. With a unique blend of foundational sales science & real-world experience, Craig partners with businesses and advisors to transform their sales trajectory, ensuring consistent, measurable growth in every endeavor. Craig has worked with over 50 companies in various industries, from retail to manufacturing, financial services to business services. He has increased first-year annual sales by 22 to 142 percent for every client. Craig is the author of two highly-rated books, Smooth Selling Forever and Trusted Advisor Confidential℠. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Craig.

In this episode, Nancy and Craig discuss the following:

• The secret of growing a company to 142%
• Shift to virtual Selling and digital self-serve
• Challenges in virtual Selling: Adapting to new technology, maximizing efficiency, and reducing the cost of sales
• From cold calls to warm introductions: Increasing touchpoints with prospects
• Overcoming challenges such as wrong people in wrong seats, lack of clearly defined sales metrics, and absence of sales processes
• Keys to building an effective sales team
• Importance of ongoing learning, open communication, mentoring, and recognition and reward systems

Key Takeaways: 

• We are in a virtual selling and a digital self-serve world; the old days of in-person meetings have gone.
• The virtual meetings that are being held are shorter and more on point.
• The definition of cold calling nowadays is getting a list of names and numbers and just banging the phone and calling people.
• Too many salespeople give up after two or three times, and studies show it may take six or seven outreaches.
   

"There are a lot of opportunities for enhancement or growth in the company. A lot of it gets down to having a detailed sales growth plan that everyone is following, making sure that there are defined sales processes that everyone follows, which shorten sales cycles, improve conversion rates, making sure that there are sales success standards present, that are activity as well as results-based, and that there are targets which generally increases the level of activity that's taking place, making sure that organizations have an ideal client profile, understanding the difference between a crow and a pheasant. So, they invest their time in marketing, lead generation, and lead conversion on those opportunities that are the best fit for them. And then finally, and most importantly, ensuring that they have the right people in their sales organization in the right seats." – CRAIG

"The reality is, and I believe I said it in the article, there is absolutely no justification for a cold call. With all the technology available today, whether it's LinkedIn, the focus of prospecting should be on getting introduced to the individual in the organization we're targeting to warm up the call. So, there's a likelihood that an individual will either return your call or respond to an email. I would say it continues because of the amount of, and I hate to say it, noise that's out there digitally. If you remember back when you and I were doing this several decades ago, the studies were showing it took, you know, six to seven interactions for you to begin to develop a level of trust. Today, because of all that noise out there, it's taking twice that number of touches before somebody's willing to trust you. So, I think that the trend is that we need to be in more frequent touch with our prospects. The conversations, the emails need to be shorter with a very defined agenda and take a waypoint for the listener, the reader." – CRAIG

"In my book, Smooth Selling Forever, I outline 12 reasons why significant predictable and sustainable sales growth will not happen unless you overcome 12 challenges. The top four include the wrong people in the wrong seats. We know that in a virtual selling environment, the role definitions, the makeup of the sales team's skill sets, and experience have changed. Third was not having clearly defined sales metrics, activities, and results. The focus is typically on the results, but we must understand that results are lagging success indicators. We really need to determine the leading indicators of success, which are activities, their calls, their opportunities discovered, proposals or quotes that go out the door, and how healthy our sales funnel is, just at a very basic level. The second of the top four are no defined sales processes. I'm a firm advocate that you need to have clearly defined sales processes, which are technically the documentation of best practices of those responsible for the Selling. And there are at least three, if not more. One, new customer, new project. Two, existing customers, new project. And it could be upsold, cross-sell. The third is renewals or, re-business or reorder business. And they all have different paths that require different steps and may involve different people. But the bottom line in building sales processes is that the sales process needs to be congruent with your target audience's buying process." – CRAIG

Connect with Craig Lowder:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/craiglowder/
• Smooth Selling Forever: https://www.smoothsellingforever.com/
• Personal: https://www.craiglowder.com/

Try Our Proven, 3-Step System, Guaranteeing Accountability and Transparency that Drives RESULTS by clicking on this link: https://oneofakindsales.com/call-center-in-a-box/
  

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• Twitter:https://twitter.com/oneofakindsales
• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/One-Of-A-Kind-Sales-304978633264832/
• Website:https://oneofakindsales.com
• Phone: 908-879-2911 
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncalabrese/
• Email: [email protected]
   

About Mike Ulmer: Mike Ulmer is CEO of Catapult Bookwriting and the author of books about business, hockey, Canada, and leadership. Mike's company, Catapult Bookwriting, has published Unapologetic Leadership by Dr. Kwadwo Kyeremanteng, Drop the Mic Marketing by Jason Hunt, Show and Tell Writing: A Great Short Business Book About How to Write A Great Short Business Book by Mike Ulmer, The Myth-Guided Mind: Unleash Your God-Given Genius At Work And At Home by Michael Hynes, The 50 Year-Old Millenial by Marc Petitpas and The 40 Ways Of The Fox by Ron Foxcroft. He has written for three wire services: the Thomson News Service, Southam News, and The Canadian Press. His work has appeared in Chill: The Beer Magazine, Saturday Night Magazine, and in a compendium of sports Stories called The Way It Looks From Here (2004 Knopf), edited by Steven Brunt. Mike's book M is for Maple is, the bestselling alphabet book in Canadian publishing history. He has appeared in front of 20,000 elementary school students across Ontario and Alberta to talk about writing and everything Canadian. Check out the latest episode of our Conversational Selling podcast to learn more about Mike.

In this episode, Nancy and Mike discuss the following:

• Mike's three-step formula for writing a book: Proposition, Backstory, Recommendations
• Importance of a book for business growth and personal branding
• The power of a book as a marketing tool and credibility builder
• Advice on starting the book-writing process with personal storytelling
• Tips on daily writing goals and word counts
• Views on deadlines and their effectiveness in book writing

Key Takeaways: 

• Podcasting, blogging, and books form the Holy Trinity of communication.
• A book provides a 24/7 representation of your expertise.
• The key is honesty and vulnerability.
• People invest their time when they read your book; honor that.
  
   

"Because when you write a book, people are just so impressed. And I've been living off that for about 30 years. So, I'm going to tell you it's true. There's a disproportionate amount of prestige when you write a book. So, it's really a great thing for a business. And if you're the only person telling your story, then you're the only story that counts." – MIKE

"If you want to write the book, we can coach you and all that stuff. We can help you do that for a very reasonable cost. But if you want to just do it by yourself, that's okay too. We also do that if you want us to write the book for you. But to answer your question, I don't know if everyone can write a book, but everyone can figure out who they are, what they are, and why they do it." – MIKE

"If you feel that your story is not worth telling, someone has gotten in your ear and lied to you because everyone has a compelling story. I make a living finding them. And that's probably not going to be Jermaine to the hundreds and thousands, not hundreds, but thousands of people listening to your podcast. But here's what is Jermaine. That person who told you haven't got a story worth listening lied to you. Right. And that person should be consigned to the seventh circle of hell because people carry around that lie and build their beliefs on top of that thing. It's like a faulty foundation. All you're trying to do is build a good house, but if someone leaves you with that terrible foundation, you'll never have a great house. Whoever told you you couldn't write a book lied to you. Everyone can do it." – MIKE

Connect with Mike Ulmer:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-ulmer-554814a3/
• Personal: https://www.mikeulmer.com/

Try Our Proven, 3-Step System, Guaranteeing Accountability and Transparency that Drives RESULTS by clicking on this link: https://oneofakindsales.com/call-center-in-a-box/
  

Connect with Nancy Calabrese: 

• Twitter:https://twitter.com/oneofakindsales
• Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/One-Of-A-Kind-Sales-304978633264832/
• Website:https://oneofakindsales.com
• Phone: 908-879-2911 
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncalabrese/
• Email: [email protected]