Jan and Lisa are back in Untwisting Scripture to unpack the fall—or should we say rebellion—of humanity in Genesis 3. They explore what really happened in the Garden of Eden, the serpent’s role, and why the term “fall” might not capture the gravity of Adam and Eve’s choice. They also dive into how this pivotal moment shaped humanity’s relationship with God and one another, sparking deep questions about vulnerability, shame, and the first instance of blame-shifting in human history.

TOP TAKEAWAYS:

- The Rebellion vs. The Fall: Jan and Lisa rethink the word “fall,” discussing why “rebellion” better describes what really happened when Adam and Eve chose to disobey God.

- The Role of Vulnerability: The moment Adam and Eve’s eyes were opened, they felt shame and vulnerability—showing the shift in humanity’s relationship with God and each other.

- Blame-Shifting: We see the first instance of blame-shifting when Adam blames Eve, and Eve blames the serpent, offering insights into human nature and accountability.

EPISODE BREAKDOWN:

- [00:00] What’s Up: Jan and Lisa start by welcoming new listeners and explaining why understanding the first three episodes of this series is essential for framing the entire Bible.

- [05:45] Rebellion or Fall?: The hosts talk about why the term “rebellion” better fits what happened in Eden, challenging the traditional view of humanity’s first sin.

- [15:30] Vulnerability and Shame: They discuss how sin brought about a sense of shame and vulnerability, drastically changing humanity’s dynamic with God.

- [25:20] Blame-Shifting in the Garden: Adam and Eve’s response to their sin—blaming others—offers a powerful commentary on human behavior that’s still relevant today.

- [35:00] Sneak Peek: The conversation wraps up with a teaser for the next episode, where they’ll cover the consequences of humanity’s rebellion.

WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT:

- Genesis 3

- Revelation (connections between Eden and the new creation)

- Check out the full transcript here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kKMS--xZQoRNcFFSm4mLws6ZOXhe3O84/view?usp=sharing

QUOTABLES:

- "Fall sounds like an accident—oops! This was no accident, this was a rebellion!"

- "Adam was standing there the whole time! The first silent bystander!"

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In this episode of Untwisting Scripture, Jan and Lisa are breaking down the creation story, focusing on the roles of Adam and Eve in God’s plan. They talk about what it really means for Adam to have a “helper,” the purpose behind the creation mandate, and how men and women are meant to work together. If you’ve ever wondered about the deeper meaning behind these verses, you’ll want to hear their fresh take on it!

TOP TAKEAWAYS:

- The Creation Mandate: God gave Adam and Eve the job of ruling over and caring for creation—something they were meant to do as a team.

- "Helper" Isn't What You Think: The word "helper" in Hebrew actually means a strong ally or partner, not someone who plays second fiddle.

- Unity in Marriage: Adam and Eve's story shows us the beauty of unity in marriage, where both partners bring something essential to the relationship.

THE BREAKDOWN:

- [00:00] What’s Up: Jan and Lisa kick things off with some fun banter and dive into today’s episode about creation, Adam, and Eve.

- [05:30] The Creation Mandate: They explore what it means to care for the earth and how God’s mission for humanity starts in the Garden of Eden.

- [15:45] What “Helper” Really Means: Forget what you thought about “helper”—Jan and Lisa explain why this term actually points to strength and partnership.

- [25:30] Why Unity Matters: They highlight how Adam and Eve were designed to complement each other, showing us the foundation for marriage.

- [35:00] Sneak Peek: Next week’s episode teases out what happens after the Fall and its impact on humanity.

STUFF WE MENTIONED:

- The Bible - (Genesis 2:4-24)

- Hebrew word study on “ezer kenegdo” (helper)

- Check out the full transcript of the episode here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NG71EzDwPxolet1057p6nxy3YxyxTqo6/view?usp=sharing

QUOTABLES:

- "We’re not just talking about Mommy’s little helper here—‘ezer’ means a strong rescuer!"

- "Adam must have been pretty lonely after naming all those animals before God introduced Eve!"

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Have you ever thought about what place YOU have in the story of the Bible? Most of us have not.

In this series, Lisa and Jan will go through various key stories in the Bible and help us see how our lives are intertwined with what we see there.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES:

Genesis 1

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Sin. Everybody does it and yet it is such a difficult subject to talk about. ESPECIALLY when it comes to dealing with sin inside the church. Do we ignore it, do we address it, and who is responsible for doing that.

These are some of the hard questions we tackle in today's episode.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES:

Romans 14:1-4, 10

James 5:19-20

1 Corinthians 5: 1-5

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Do you have questions about the Bible? So do we! Join us, Lisa Scheffler and Jan Touchberry, for a weekly conversation about understanding the Bible and the impact it can have on our lives.

In this season, "Can I Get a Witness?", we dive deep into some of the more challenging and sometimes controversial topics that believers face today. This week, we’re addressing a hot-button issue: How should we, as Christians, deal with politics in a heated political climate?

With tensions high and opinions strongly divided, how can believers navigate the political landscape without compromising their faith? We’ll explore how to engage in political discussions and maintain unity in the church despite differing political views. Whether you're grappling with how to balance your faith and political beliefs, seeking to understand what the Bible says about governance and leadership, or wanting to be a peacemaker in politically charged conversations, this episode is for you!

**Topics Covered:**

- Navigating politics as Christians in a polarized world

- How to maintain our witness while engaging in political discussions

- Biblical principles for understanding governance and leadership

- Practical tips for promoting peace and unity in the church despite political differences

**Key Takeaways:**

1. **Embrace the Challenge:** Politics can be a divisive topic, but it’s crucial for Christians to engage thoughtfully and with discernment. Our goal should be to reflect Christ, even in political discussions.

2. **Stay Rooted in Truth:** Our political views should be informed by the truth of the gospel. Let’s seek wisdom from Scripture to guide our choices and conversations.

3. **Engage with Grace:** Approach political discussions with humility and love. Strive to be peacemakers, recognizing that our ultimate allegiance is to God’s kingdom.

**Scripture References:**

• Matthew 22:15-22

*Download the Study Guide*

Dual Citizenship Week 1.docx (sharepoint.com)

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**Closing Remarks:**

Thank you for tuning into "Can I Get a Witness?" Join us next week as we continue to tackle challenging topics and explore what it means to live out our faith in a complex world. Remember, no matter how heated the political climate gets, we can choose to be voices of peace and truth, rooted in Christ.

Do you have questions about the Bible? So do we! Join us, Lisa Scheffler and Jan Touchberry, for a weekly conversation about understanding the Bible and the impact it can have on our lives.

In this season, we dive deep into some of the more challenging and sometimes controversial topics that believers face today. This week, we’re exploring a crucial question: How do we handle disagreements with people who aren’t Christians?

As believers, we know we are not made for this world, yet we live in it. How we interact with non-believers, especially when we disagree, can be a powerful witness to the truth of the gospel and Jesus Christ. We’ll discuss how to navigate these tricky subjects while staying true to our faith and maintaining our integrity. Whether you're struggling with how to respond to non-Christian viewpoints, seeking to understand biblical teachings on this issue, or facing challenges in your Christian walk, this series is for you!

**Topics Covered:**

- Navigating disagreements with non-Christians

- How to stay true to the gospel when facing differing beliefs

- Understanding our role as representatives of Christ in a diverse world

**Key Takeaways:**

1. **Embrace the Challenge:** It’s normal to encounter differing beliefs and opinions. Our journey as Christians is about understanding how to respond with wisdom and love.

2. **Stay Rooted in Truth:** Even when faced with opposing views, we must hold fast to the truth of the gospel, representing Jesus Christ faithfully in all our interactions.

3. **Engage with Grace:** We can address disagreements respectfully, showing grace and love while maintaining the integrity of our faith.

**Scripture References:**

• James 1:19-21

• 1 Cor 5:12-13

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We'd love to hear from you! How do you handle disagreements with non-Christians? What questions do you have about engaging with others while staying true to your faith? Share your thoughts, and let’s explore these topics together. Reach out to us on social media or send us an email.

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**Closing Remarks:**

Thank you for tuning into "Can I Get a Witness?" Join us next week as we continue to delve into challenging topics and seek to understand how to live out our faith authentically in a world that often believes differently. Remember, you are not alone in your faith journey—we're in this together, guided by Christ.

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Do you have questions about the Bible? So do we! Join us, Lisa Scheffler and Jan Touchberry, for a weekly conversation about understanding the Bible and the impact it can have on our lives.

In this episode, we kick off our brand-new series, "Can I Get a Witness?" where we dive deep into some of the more challenging and sometimes controversial topics that believers face today. We believe that even though we are not made for this world, our presence here means we need to stand firm and represent the truth of the gospel and Jesus Christ well.

This week, we explore how to navigate these tricky subjects while staying true to our faith and our witness. Whether you're wrestling with questions about living out your faith, understanding biblical teachings, or facing challenges in your Christian walk, this series is for you!

Topics Covered:

Key Takeaways:

Scripture References:

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In this episode you will get a personal glimpse into why Lisa and Jan hold some specific passage in the Bible dear to their hearts.

Lisa:

Mark 4:39

John 14:27

Psalms 42:5-11

Jan:

John 3:30

Psalms 46:10

Job chapter 38-41

We'd love to know your favorite passage of scripture. Drop us a DM.

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This week we take a break from examining the verses in scripture and go a level higher sharing some of our favorite Bible study tools and resources.

Everything is linked here in the show notes. Enjoy!

The Bible App

The James Method

The Bible Project

The Daily Grace Co.

Coffee & Bible Time Prayer Journal

Right Now Media

Grasping God's Word by Duvall & Hays

Journey Into God's Word by Duvall & Hays

Bible Translation Continuum Chart (scroll to the bottom of the page)

Logos Bible Software

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Do you have questions about the Bible? So do we! Join us, Lisa Scheffler and Jan Touchberry, for a weekly conversation about the Bible as we seek to understand it and the difference it can make in our lives.

This week we tackle Matthew 18:19-20

“Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

RESOURCES:

Believing God Bible Study

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