This episode features two interviews
Rob Redenbach is a specialist in training people like the British SAS and the Australian Federal police in self-defence and unarmed combat. He's recently returned from Afghanistan, where he was giving much-needed advice to humanitarian groups based in Kabul.
Rob's autobiography Waveman is published by Macmillan
As a tribute to the pioneering aviatrix Nancy Bird Walton, who died last week, these are some highlights of the original Conversation she had with Richard on 31 January 2005
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