Welcome to Season Eleven of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we're exploring the talent equation, examining the people, skills, and leadership required to accelerate the energy transition. From workforce strategy and culture, to talent development and organisational growth, we'll explore what it really takes to build the teams driving the sector forward.
In this episode, Jenny Gladman and Joe Riley are joined by Dr John Heinlein, Chief Marketing Officer at Sonatus, a company developing AI-enabled technology for software-defined vehicles.
John's career didn't follow the path his qualifications might suggest. With a PhD in electrical engineering from Stanford, he began by leading engineering teams before a CEO spotted something John hadn't yet recognised in himself: he was a natural marketer. That unexpected intervention changed the direction of his career.
It's a story that opens up a much bigger conversation about how we recognise talent. What happens when leaders look beyond the job someone is doing today and consider what they could become? And how can people be given the space to test unexpected strengths without making every career move feel like an irreversible leap?
John reflects on the mentors, critics, and opportunities that have shaped his own journey, from learning to find value in difficult feedback to deliberately remaining a student as his career has progressed. He also explores why diversity of thought produces better answers, why storytelling matters when bringing complex innovation to market, and why technical and human skills are far from competing strengths.
Against the backdrop of AI and the rapidly evolving automotive ecosystem, the conversation is a reminder that innovation depends on more than technology. Sometimes, it begins with someone recognising potential that hasn't yet found its job title.
01:28 - Introduction to John
03:07 - How would you describe Sonatus, the problems you’re solving, and your role in the automotive ecosystem?
05:32 - What does deployment look like in practice, and what can manufacturers do differently with Sonatus?
07:21 - How do software-defined vehicles change the traditional automotive business model?
08:16 - What ongoing value can manufacturers create after a vehicle leaves the factory?
10:35 - What real-world problems can the Fastlane platform help automotive manufacturers solve today?
13:15 - What does a successful automotive technology ecosystem look like, and where is greater alignment needed?
15:44 - How can the automotive supply chain keep pace with the speed of software and AI innovation?
16:50 - How has your experience across semiconductors, software, and vehicle intelligence shaped the way you think about innovation?
19:20 - You started as an electrical engineer before moving into marketing - what prompted that transition?
21:55 - How important is it for leaders to recognise someone’s potential beyond the role they’re in today?
24:10 - How can leaders create space for people to explore unexpected strengths without making the move feel too risky?
27:01 - Why is storytelling so critical to whether an innovation succeeds?
28:33 - How do you build trust between technical and commercial teams without oversimplifying the technology or making it unnecessarily complex?
30:12 - When has the phrase “when the student is ready, the teacher will appear” proved particularly true in your life?
33:34 - What keeps you curious and willing to become a student again, even at a senior leadership level?
35:28 - If you could speak to yourself just before moving from engineering into marketing, what would you tell him?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Joe Riley, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, John Heinlein, Ph.D, on LinkedIn.
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