After introducing the topic, Lauren mentions emotional perseverance and their episode last week.

Lauren highlights the extreme in conversation of either avoiding talking about suffering, or being insensitive in the things you say. Rick adds that we need to find the middle ground between those two, and not be afraid to just start the conversation and acknowledge the pain.

Lauren references Project Gabriel several times throughout the episode, and the lessons she learned about speaking into suffering through her pregnancy with Gabriel.

Rick brings up how important it is to not just assume what the person who is suffering is feeling, but to really listen to them instead of trying to control the situation when you offer to help. Lauren repeats that it's important to let the other person feel whatever they are feeling so that they can grieve and grow.

Lauren discloses that we can't compare losses with someone who is suffering; each and every loss is valid and significant. She also advices to not wait for someone to reach out for help; instead, offer specific ways you want to help.

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