Recorded live in Carlton, Melbourne VIC, Australia 3010 on Thursday 5 December 2019.

As this is the last conversation to be shared by The Glocals in 2019, I hope that it leaves a strong impact on how we as a society are supporting things and people, and I hope that stuff that matters will remain/become the key of focus in our daily lives. I am so grateful to my bestie Kimmy for introducing me to her stepsister Eva, who is an absolute gem to this world. She prepared dot points for a conversation with me cause she took this really seriously, and I really appreciate how much she was for this idea of sharing knowledge and curating empathy globally. We gave a lot of shoutouts in this convo and I just love how the people in our lives help put things into perspective for us. Personally, I don't know Eva very well but I guess I know enough, and I did learn so much more about her and about Australia through this convo. Our differences in terms of speaking up and my personal reflections thanks to our discussion taught me a lot about different personas and how I need to actually woman up and just say what needs to be said. Going further from there to what has been happening here, while learning about how the Australian Government has been approaching refugees in different aspects, my heart broke a little for the people struggling with no certainty and no safety out there. Being from another country myself, I do realise how lucky I am to have a roof over my head and all I need to have a comfortable life in Australia while others out there just desperately need the basics to survive. And I just adore how Eva uses social media for both fun and good by speaking up against injustices and raise awareness about what can be done to help, so I am learning from her and I hope you are too. https://www.facebook.com/j4r.au/ is Justice for Refugees FB page, so please give it a look if you care about the struggling refugees and want to help in any way you can. At the end, we did wanna go into something fun and Eva really wanted to talk about sex, which I'm 100% down for, so Eva please come back and we'll have a whole talk on that, or if not for this poddy then just with me! On a more serious note, Eva's overall message to the world after this convo is "If we have the privilege to be able to speak up, we should step up, even in everyday conversations.", and I believe in its power simply because it actually aligns with what The Glocals is all about. I am in awe of where the podcast itself is heading and how these conversations are shaping me, so thank you so so much to everyone who has agreed to join me on this little journey of my life, and thank you to Eva for our fantastic time. You can find Eva on Facebook at Eva Jordens and Instagram @eva.jordens. Get to know her and learn more about how you can help refugees + heaps of other people in need.

May the new Decade be filled with meaningful convos like this and may The Glocals bring the world what it needs to be a better place with better humans.

All our love,

Eva and Lu