On this episode we speak with Mac Muir, author of Cop Cop: Breaking the Fixed System of American Policing, about the culture, incentives, and training that shape modern policing in the United States. Drawing on personal experience and extensive research, Muir examines how policing is structured to reward control and compliance over public safety, and why reform efforts so often fail. We discuss the myths that sustain police power, the limits of accountability within the current system, and what real change would require for communities most impacted by policing.

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