On this week’s final Coping With COVID, Ted Kim hosts a conversation with John Willison.

John is the senior pastor of Abundant Grace International Fellowship in Shanghai, China. Prior to that, John and his family spent 12 years in East Africa leading a thriving church for expats. Many of you may remember that John was also a pastor at the Evanston Vineyard during the late 80s to early 00s.

Before everything closed down in the US, John had already been navigating the pandemic for months in China. He’ll share the wisdom he’s gleaned from his experience.