Manton catches up with Daniel, who is traveling in Santa Cruz. They talk about Daniel's determination to push through on MarsEdit release plans in the face of enviable releases from other developers. They discuss Apple’s new Machine Learning blog, and fantasize about other technical “journals” emerging from other groups. Finally, they acknowledge the imminent shutdown of the Core Intuition job board, and relate it to the more general difficulty of killing off apps and other projects.

Daniel and Manton reflect on the MarsEdit 4 beta, the bugs it's revealed, and the impact on Daniel's schedule urgency. They also react to Apple’s purported “sense of panic” about the iPhone 8: is it a true indicator of problems, or just the status quo for the company? Finally they respond to a listener question about the long-term viability of the Mac and other desktop platforms as the iPad continues to mature.

Manton talks to Daniel about his just-released MarsEdit 4 beta. They discuss the anxiety caused by sitting on unreleased features, and other rationale in favor of a public beta. Daniel talks about the anticipated income boost from the new version, and how it might confirm or deny viability of indie Mac development. Finally, they remember 10 years of iPhone, and laugh about the phones they used previously.

Daniel and Manton react to Chris Lattner's early departure from Tesla, and segue into speculation about his job prospects, and the challenges of effective technical interviews. They talk about the new frameworks announced at WWDC, and overcoming fear of incompetence when learning new things. Finally, they react to Uber CEO Travis Kalanick's resignation, and think about what’s next for the company.

Manton and Daniel compare notes on recent MacBook Pro repairs and the relative merit of purchasing AppleCare. They react to Tim Cook's admissions that an Apple "car" project exists and is still underway. Manton looks on the bright side of "Planet of the Apps," and Daniel looks on the dark side. Finally, they talk briefly about the controversy around an excerpt from "One Device," by Brian Merchant.

Daniel and Manton catch upon WWDC, and Manton's ailing MacBook Pro. They talk about new hardware announcements and react to highlights from the Keynote. Manton laments Apple's continued, slow progress with SiriKit, and Daniel is frustrated that HomePod is not a Wifi hub. Finally, they talk about iOS Drag and Drop and compare it with Apple's traditional tendency to move slowly but surely into the future.

Manton and Daniel chat about WWDC, what they expect Apple to announce, and what we think of it. They discuss Federico Viticci’s iOS 11 concept video, and limitations of prototypes vs. iterative design. Finally, they discuss Dash's return to the App Store, and question whether Apple even knows it's back.

Daniel and Manton discuss the new JSON Feed format and initial public reaction to it. They talk about Panic's source code being stolen, and Daniel celebrates/laments his new MacBook Pro.

Manton and Daniel react to new rumors of Apple's "Siri Smart Speakers" standalone voice assistant. They follow up on the debate about Chromebooks vs. iPads in schools, Apple's ongoing development of Workflow, and changes in App Store commissions. Finally, they catch up on respective indie work progress and how easy it is to get thrown off course.

Daniel talks to Manton about his challenges with Micro.blog server problems, and his successful fulfillment of accounts to Kickstarter backers. Manton talks about his strategy for shutting down social media in the wake of stress, and taking time to recuperate. The two also talk about Microsoft's new Windows 10 S announcement and the apparent bleakness of Apple's chances in the school laptop market. Finally, they check in on WWDC plans and consider the absurdity of $40 box lunches.