Steve and Norm discuss the death penalty and the cultural differences between Cincinnati and other parts of Ohio. Steve is curious to hear Jordan Peterson's take on the psychological profile of people who are in favor of the death penalty. Norm agrees that there is a lot of nuance to the issue and that it is difficult to have a consistent view on it.

In the second part of the show, Steve and Norm discuss the case of Olivia Khrushchek, a student at the University of Cincinnati who was given a zero grade for using the term "biological female" in a paper proposal. They argue that there is no way to have a logical conversation about this issue without using this term. They also discuss the implications of the "intersexual lines" that are being drawn between group identities.

The show wraps up with a discussion of the metaverse and the implications for gender identity. Steve and Norm agree that the metaverse will allow people to do whatever they want, which could lead to even more confusion about gender identity.

Here are some of the key points:

• The death penalty is a complex issue with no easy answers.
• There is a cultural difference between Cincinnati and other parts of Ohio when it comes to the death penalty.
• The term "biological female" is necessary to have a logical conversation about gender identity.
• The "intersexual lines" that are being drawn between group identities are a logical fallacy.
• The metaverse could lead to even more confusion about gender identity.

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.