Kicking things off, the guys take a look back at pivotal moments in history—the anniversary of the first atomic bomb test (Trinity, 1945) and the publication of "The Catcher in the Rye." Using these milestones as a springboard, they dive into complex conversations around historical context, the ethics of censorship, and the importance of critical thought, especially when it comes to education and banning controversial books.

The episode quickly turns to Ohio’s current headlines—Governor DeWine’s massive veto override showdown, the debate over eliminating property taxes, and what flat taxes or major spending cuts could mean for Buckeye State residents. Tempers flare over government spending and what it would really take to balance Ohio’s budget: Should taxpayers brace for higher sales taxes, or is it finally time to cut government excess?

On the national front, the hosts break down a recent Supreme Court ruling affirming the president’s authority to hire and fire executive branch workers, and what that means for government accountability. Plus, they call out the double standards when government vs. private sector jobs are on the line and reflect on the massive challenges of getting meaningful spending cuts through Congress.

Finally, they sound the alarm on the rise of deepfake videos and AI-generated content, sharing why this technology poses a real threat to public discourse and personal reputations. With stories that range from viral Clint Eastwood hoaxes to the long shadow cast by social media, the guys urge listeners to sharpen their critical thinking and not fall for every meme or emotionally charged headline.

00:00 WWII Atrocities and Espionage

10:07 Banning Fuels Unhealthy Fascination

14:28 Southern Racial Ideology Pre-Civil War

18:45 Medicaid Expansion Controversy in Ohio

24:13 Ohio's Legislative Power Shift

29:38 Ohio Property Tax Reform Debate

32:51 Managing Personal Finances

39:25 "Public Funding for Biased Media?"

45:55 "Debating Trump Derangement Syndrome"

50:30 Deepfake Concerns Rise

58:19 Fatal Police Shooting: Pregnant Woman Killed

01:01:45 "Minivan Driver Causes Highway Pileup"

01:04:15 Salute to Military Families

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Welcome back to another episode of Common Sense Ohio! This week, Brett and Norm dive into a jam-packed agenda, tackling the confusion and controversy swirling around the “Big Beautiful Bill” (BBB) and its sweeping impact on everything from Medicaid work requirements to overtime tax exemptions and Social Security changes. The hosts pull back the curtain on how massive budget bills often bury major policy shifts with barely any time for lawmakers or the public to digest the details.

We also address the aftermath of the devastating Kerrville, Texas, flood, highlighting how tragedies are too quickly politicized, and reflect on the sad loss and confusion impacting hundreds of families. Plus, we look at ongoing drama surrounding the elusive Jeffrey Epstein client list, shake-up news from Elon Musk’s new “American Party,” and why JobsOhio’s secretive state contracts are raising eyebrows.

Closer to home, Brett and Norm break down the debate over pit bulls and public safety, the challenges facing Ohio’s middle class amidst rising property taxes, and troubling efforts to shield lawmakers’ emails and texts from public record requests.

With winners, losers, and some hard-hitting common sense, this episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in the real stories behind today’s headlines—and how they hit home in Ohio and beyond.

A Big Thanks to our sponsor, Harper Plus Accounting. They provide more than just basic transactions, offering expert business consultation as well. They go beyond the basics, providing comprehensive advice on saving, planning, and optimizing taxes.

Moments

00:00 Medicaid Work Requirements Confusion

09:46 Social Security Tax Exemption Confusion

15:19 "Prioritize Recovery Over Investigations"

16:27 "Weather Service Staffing and Flood Response"

26:32 Theory on Epstein-Wexner Friendship

32:14 Strategic Senate Disruption Plan

34:30 Elon's Debt Reduction Strategy

40:03 Ohio Liquor Control Privatization Update

47:57 Governor DeWine Vetoes Property Tax Relief

52:32 Libertarian Views on Exotic Pets

58:12 Unintended Consequences of Big Cat Laws

01:01:11 "Driver Distracted Before Ohio Crash"

01:05:23 Supreme Court Backs Presidential Layoffs

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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This episode hits on everything from Supreme Court smackdowns to Ohio’s latest budget wrangling. Some fascinating historical context, legal insight, and yes, even a bit of humor about how our government actually works.

Here are 3 key takeaways that resonated with me:

• Judicial Power & Nationwide Injunctions: The Supreme Court’s recent decision hammered home a crucial point—allowing a single district judge to halt federal policy nationwide is a bad idea, no matter which side of the aisle you’re on. Amy Coney Barrett’s opinion (and the fiery back-and-forth with Ketanji Brown Jackson) is a reminder of just how critical it is to keep checks and balances intact.
• Budget Battles & Political Theater: Ohio’s “big and beautiful” budget bill is full of political give-and-take. Whether it’s debate over taxing H1B remittances, property tax relief, or flat tax reforms, the hosts highlighted how government spending (and the process to pass it) is often more about showmanship than substance.
• Understanding Our History—with Nuance: The episode underscored the importance of studying our country’s past honestly, including the complexities of the Founding Fathers and the long, painful arc of issues like slavery. Our modern debates about policy and social justice are richer (and fairer) when we confront history head-on, not through simplistic narratives.

Common Sense Moments

00:00 Reflecting on July 4th

08:17 Short-Sighted Statutes and Grant's Legacy

12:59 Injunctions as Legal Tools

20:04 Politicization of Supreme Court Nominations

23:57 Speech Restrictions and Content Discrimination

27:15 Defending Unpopular Cases and Challenges

34:15 Misleading Goods and Political Frustrations

41:10 Debt Compromise: A Necessary Choice

44:32 Ohio Budget: DeWine's 67 Vetoes

48:25 Ohio Property Tax Controversy

54:45 Ohio Property Tax Controversy

01:00:21 Tragic Crash: Truck Driver Sentenced

01:07:06 US Debt Crisis: Real Cuts Needed

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https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

Welcome back to Common Sense Ohio, where "right from the middle" means no topic is too hot to handle—especially when it comes to F bombs and bunker bombs. In this episode, co-host Brett returns from a month-long hiatus to join Norm as they tackle a packed agenda covering both global and local headlines.

Get ready for an unfiltered dive into international diplomacy as the hosts unpack recent U.S. military actions in Iran, including a discussion on the controversial use of bunker buster bombs and America’s ongoing approach to global regime change. Brett and Norm draw parallels from history, weighing the impact of American intervention abroad, with plenty of opinions on what actually works.

Back on the home front, they break down the ins and outs of Congress’s “big beautiful bill”, the pivotal legislation working its way through Washington. The guys debate the ever-climbing national debt, question why non-budgetary riders are buried in the bill, and challenge politicians to grow a backbone and make tough decisions, finally.

Ohio issues get their share of airtime, too. Find out why a local lawmaker wants to tie funding for pro sports teams to winning records, and get the latest scoop on Supreme Court decisions affecting immigration and local communities. From electric vehicle mandates to the wild idea of government-run grocery stores, nothing is off the table.

Whether you’re a political junkie, a sports fan, or just someone trying to make sense of today’s headlines, this episode delivers sharp insight and classic Midwestern no-nonsense. So buckle up and enjoy another week of Common Sense Ohio!

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Moments

00:00 Diplomatic Struggles Before Ceasefire

06:45 Embassy Sovereignty and International Relations

14:47 Tax Deduction Disagreement in Congress

16:04 Debt Crisis and Legislative Challenges

24:14 Efficient Mass Transit Advocacy

28:58 Conditional Funding for Accountability

34:31 "Immigration Policy and Deportation Debate"

40:29 EV Mandate Reversal Spurs V8 Revival

46:57 EV Tax Registration Confusion

50:31 Grocery Prices Debate

57:32 Farewell: Brian, Bobby, Rick Remembered

01:00:15 "Strikes on Iran Nuclear Facilities"

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Welcome back to Common Sense Ohio! In this episode, Steve Palmer and Norm Murdock tackle some of the hottest issues making headlines—both at home and abroad. The conversation kicks off with a dive into history, reflecting on America’s ongoing struggle to balance free speech and government power, from the Alien and Sedition Acts of the 18th century to present-day campus protests and debates over censorship on social media.

The guys get into the nitty-gritty of the legal showdown between California Governor Gavin Newsom and President Trump over the federalization of the National Guard during civil unrest. This is a topic with far-reaching implications for states’ rights and executive power. They relate this modern drama to past events, like Eisenhower’s historic call to federalize the Guard in Alabama during the civil rights era.

The discussion then shifts to today’s border and immigration challenges in Ohio and nationwide, exploring ICE enforcement, due process for asylum seekers, and the real-world impacts of shifting federal policies. Internationally, Steve and Norm dig into the escalating Israel-Iran conflict, the role of U.S. foreign policy, and what it could mean for global stability.

As always, our hosts wrap things up with some common sense—sharing their takes on local happenings, the importance of cultural mainstays like baseball, and a touching tribute to the late Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys.

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Common Sense Moments

00:00 Adams-Jefferson Rivalry and French Tensions

09:00 History Repeats: Rights Contested

10:52 US National Guard Federal Activation

19:31 Private Security Mistake Leads to Fatality

22:17 Media Misunderstandings on Deportation

26:39 Trump's Middle East Strategy Unveiled

36:42 Shifting Perspectives on Border Control

37:43 "Border Control Failures Echo 9/11"

44:09 Impact of Arrest on Family

48:37 Trump-Era Tariffs & Market Impact

56:13 "Brian Wilson: Good vs. Evil"

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Welcome back to another episode of Common Sense Ohio, where hosts Steve Palmer and Norm Murdock cut through the noise to talk about the hottest issues affecting Ohio—and the nation at large. In this June 11, 2025 episode, the guys dive headfirst into the recent wave of riots spreading across cities like a contagion, unpack what’s really going on behind the scenes, and debate the government’s response. They draw fascinating connections to history—think Magna Carta—and discuss its continued impact on American law and governance.

Steve and Norm don’t shy away from controversy. They tackle explosive topics like the chaos following targeted ICE arrests in LA, the politics behind deploying the National Guard, and the persistent double standards in how law enforcement actions and protests are perceived by the media and politicians. They also take a look at broader societal shifts, such as the landmark Supreme Court decision in Ames vs. Ohio Department of Youth Services and what it means for anti-discrimination law in America.

Switching gears, the episode delves into the big changes on the college sports front, with Ohio universities now legally paying athletes under new NIL agreements, and the challenges this brings. Plus, they poke at some big philosophical questions—from the legalization of gambling and marijuana to the privacy risks of DNA testing companies like 23andMe selling genetic data during bankruptcy proceedings.

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As always, Steve and Norm wrap things up with their weekly outrages and wins—touching on recent law enforcement issues in Ohio, the importance of recognizing military service in schools, and surprising moments of accountability in public service. It’s thought-provoking, sometimes fiery, and quintessentially Common Sense Ohio.

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Welcome back to another episode of Common Sense Ohio! In this week’s show, recorded on May 28, 2025, hosts Steve Palmer and Norm Murdock deliver their no-nonsense take on everything from historical scandals to hot topics right here in the Buckeye State.

They kick things off with a look back at the infamous Watergate break-in—unpacking the enduring legacy of political coverups—and quickly draw parallels to the modern controversies swirling around today’s leaders. From the ongoing questions about accountability in the White House to new revelations about COVID-19 policies and vaccine recommendations, no stone is left unturned.

The hosts then pivot to free speech, comparing American First Amendment protections to the increasing crackdowns across Europe and the UK, where people are being arrested for social media posts and even silent prayer. If you’ve ever wondered what separates American liberties from those abroad, you won’t want to miss this conversation.

Closer to home, Steve and Norm get fired up about everything from controversial school bathroom policies in Upper Arlington, the changing safety climate in Columbus’ Short North, to whether schools do enough to honor new military recruits. There’s also spirited banter about the NBA’s “doctors,” LeBron James’ newly minted honorary degree, celebrity activism, and a heartfelt farewell to Ohio musician Rick Derringer.

Rounding out the episode, the guys tackle Chinese-owned businesses in Ohio, local government cyberattacks, the fallout from the Jussie Smollett case, and, as always, their picks for outrage and triumph of the week—including chipmunks wreaking havoc, and a tribute to the legacy of Duck Dynasty’s Phil Robertson.

Grab your coffee and settle in for a fast-paced, sharp-witted discussion that covers the headlines, the history, and everything in between—from the heartland’s common sense perspective.

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00:00 Nixon's Watergate Cover-Up Attempt

05:55 "Current Scandals and Historical Parallels"

09:14 "Imagining U.S. Without First Amendment"

11:43 "Hyde Park Soapbox Origins"

16:21 London Police Chief's Online Speech Warning

17:36 Liverpool Parade Incident

23:18 Short North Seeks Tax Authority

25:15 "What Went Wrong?"

27:40 NBA Legend's 1980s Dominance

32:25 Ohio House Bill Targets Foreign Ownership

36:43 Deputy Killed by Recidivist Shooter

39:48 Columbus Data Breach Lawsuits

42:19 Jussie Smollett Case Closure

46:44 "Impact of Faked Race Crimes"

50:09 Upper Arlington Graduation Highlights

51:52 Memorial Day: Honoring Fallen Heroes

56:19 Chipmunk Conquest Costs Friendships

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

We jump straight into the headlines and controversies shaping both Ohio and the nation. The conversation opens with breaking news about President Biden’s cancer diagnosis, sparking a candid discussion on transparency, leadership health, and the responsibilities of both elected officials and political parties.

Digging deeper, we draw thought-provoking parallels between historical crimes, moral philosophy, and the shifts in America’s foundational values—referencing everything from Crime and Punishment to Nietzsche, the role of religion, and what happens when societies lose their moral compass.

Turning to the legal front, we tackle Supreme Court decisions on birthright citizenship and immigration, unpacking the implications of recent rulings, the intent behind the 14th Amendment, and the complicated realities for children of undocumented immigrants.

Ohio issues get the spotlight as well, with lively debate on property taxes, the challenge of keeping taxes fair, and the possible ripple effects of abolishing the property tax altogether.

Of course, no episode would be complete without a look at the latest from the national political circus—Trump’s business deals in the Gulf, the scrutiny over accepting international gifts, and honest takes on the ongoing Trump/Biden saga, media narratives, and party loyalty.

From philosophical deep-dives to the hard realities of law, politics, and policy, this episode is packed with the lively, unfiltered Common Sense Ohio perspective you know and love.

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Key Moments

00:00 Crime, Guilt, Redemption in "Crime and Punishment"

05:01 "The Dangers of Authoritarianism"

07:16 Atheism as Religious Belief

11:55 SCOTUS Decision Sparks Controversy

13:23 Injunction Lifted: Deportations Proceed

16:36 "Supreme Court and Birthright Citizenship"

19:56 Trump Secures Gulf States Investments

25:12 "Appearance vs. Actual Impropriety"

26:37 "Biden's Prostate Cancer Timing Discussed"

29:46 Cancer Confusion in 2022 Speech

32:14 "Voting, Friendship, and Democracy"

35:16 Who's Running the Country?

40:53 Misinterpreted Intent and Influence

44:08 Ohio Considers Property Tax Elimination

46:10 "End of Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty"

48:25 Seat Belt Paradox Explained

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Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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From debating the roots and realities of American immigration history and the evolving complexities of cultural assimilation, to unpacking the impact of the 1965 Immigration Act and discussing whether our system is truly as "systemically racist" as some claim, the conversation pulls no punches.

We examine everything from the shifting demographics of immigration and the recent arrival of South African Afrikaner refugees, to the persistent media narratives around race and discrimination.

But that's not all—this episode covers a wide range of topics including Pete Rose’s complicated case for entry into the Baseball Hall of Fame, the shifting landscape of drug pricing and Trump’s latest moves on pharmacy benefit managers (BPM), and the ongoing debates over healthcare and government involvement.

We also touch on local stories like Columbus’ approach to renter representation and a shocking crime wave, as well as national and cultural phenomena, such as the rise of AI girlfriends and shifting attitudes in younger generations.

Packed with insightful debate, historical perspective, and plenty of unfiltered opinions, this episode of Common Sense Ohio is your front-row seat to fact-based, common sense talk on today’s most complex issues—served up with the wit and candor you’ve come to expect from the team. Buckle up and join the conversation!

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Common Sense Moments

00:00 Immigration and Assimilation History

07:41 Immigration Policy Shift in 1965

13:34 Desmond Tutu's Forgiveness Mission

18:53 Explaining Crime & Remorse

25:17 "Trump's Drug Pricing Reform"

28:49 Discussion on Free Market and Antitrust

36:11 "No EV Subsidies in Bill"

40:52 Son's Conservative Shift in Ohio

47:21 Alleged Abuse and Legal Controversy

48:54 Missing Evidence Raises Retrial Concerns

54:56 "Ohio Serial Killer Arrested"

01:03:00 American Apathy: Human Rights Concerns Ignored

01:06:47 "Madman Theory in Politics"

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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This story may be one of the unknowns to Ohioans, but we look into the hidden world of pharmacy benefit managers (PBMs), broken healthcare incentives, and the collapse of community pharmacies.

We welcome Marty Schladen from Ohio Capital Journal back to the podcast.

AND we took a detour through Ohio’s energy controversy and—yes—why Alcatraz is back in the headlines.

3 Key Takeaways:

• PBMs & Hidden Healthcare Costs: The lack of transparency with pharmacy benefit managers drives up prices for everyone, even leading to $250M in excess costs in Ohio Medicaid alone. It’s a tangle of rebates, “safe harbors,” and backdoor deals that rarely save money for actual patients.
• Pharmacy Deserts Are Real: Ohio’s local, independent pharmacies are closing at an alarming rate, threatening access to care in underserved areas. When a pharmacy shuts down, it’s not just a business lost—it’s often the only healthcare touchpoint for miles.
• Bi-Partisan Reform is Gaining Steam: From Ohio’s Attorney General to 39 state AGs teaming up, there’s momentum to fix the system—by enforcing transparency, capping “middleman” profits, and ending conflicts of interest (like PBMs owning retail pharmacies).

Special thanks to Marty for the clarity and to all listeners who care about a fairer, healthier future for Ohio.

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Key Moments

00:00 Ohio's PBM Safe Harbor History

08:23 Pharmacy Pricing Investigation in Ohio

14:15 Cancer Clinics Frustrated by PBMs

20:02 Locked-In Government Revenue Politics

21:03 Ohio Medicaid Reform Saves $333M

31:06 Unregulated Drug Compounding Issues

36:19 Jim Jordan's FTC Reallocation Proposal

39:41 EV Rebate Removed, Elon Affected

46:49 Discussion on House Bill 15

49:06 House Bill 15: Environmental Concerns

55:07 "3 Mile Island vs. Chernobyl"

01:03:11 Ohio's Health vs. Corporate Welfare

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Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

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Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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