Zac and Phil discuss the topic of banning Psychic Frog broached on the Eternal Glory podcast. They specifically focus on the card Psychic Frog and whether it should be banned. Zac argues that it's too early to ban Psychic Frog and that there are other cards that should be addressed first. Phil agrees and believes that there are bigger outliers in the format. They also discuss the concept of tempo and how it has evolved over time. They emphasize the importance of considering the overall gameplay experience and making decisions based on what is fun and interesting for the community.

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