In this timely episode of the Better Understanding Podcast, host Susan MacKenty Brady sits down with globally recognized leadership expert and bestselling author Dr. Margie Warrell for a powerful conversation about courage, presence, and what leadership requires in today’s uncertain world.

Drawing from her bestselling book The Courage Gap, Margie shares why courageous leadership is not about eliminating fear, but about learning to lead through it with greater intention, emotional awareness, and authenticity. Together, Susan and Margie explore how fear quietly shapes workplace cultures through avoided conversations, softened feedback, hesitation, and self-protective behaviors that limit trust, connection, and growth.

The conversation offers practical insights for leaders navigating pressure, complexity, and change, including how to challenge limiting narratives, regulate your internal state, speak up with greater confidence, and lead from your values rather than your fears. At the heart of the episode is a reminder that leadership is deeply human. As Margie shares, “The world doesn’t need your perfection. It needs your presence. It needs your courage.”

This episode is for any leader who wants to lead with greater courage, clarity, connection, and impact in the moments that matter most.