Every organization is built on people, structures, and culture. But culture isn’t static—it evolves with every interaction, ambition, and shift in circumstance. As IT drives business transformation, new technologies reshape how people connect and collaborate. In this ever-changing landscape, a strong, adaptive culture is the key to lasting success.

This week, Dave, Esmee and Rob talk to Jitske Kramer, Corporate Anthropologist about what technology is doing to cultures and human systems and how AI can mess with the narrative.

TLDR
00:50  Introduction of Jitske Kramer and her book Navigating Tricky Times
02:05  Rob shares his confusion about saying “thank you” to AI
07:25  In-depth conversation with Jitske Kramer
11:30  Visual communication via tattoos even at AWS re:Invent
25:00 Corporate framing and what's going on within organizations today
46:22  Exploring the contrast between the natural pace of human transformation and the rapid acceleration of technology
54:14  Editing the documentary Patterns of Life
55:56  Esmee’s 2x Outro speed surprises everyone!

Guest:

Jitske Kramer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jitskekramer/

https://jitskekramer.substack.com/
Tricky Times event: https://tricky-times.com/events/navigating-tricky-times-leading-through-the-messy-middle-of-change/

Hosts

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/

Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/

Production

Marcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/

Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/

Sound

Ben Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/

Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/

'Cloud Realities' is an original podcast from Capgemini